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Re: ethanol question

Post by RC20 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:41 pm

javan1954:

Ethanol in and of itself (all the social issue aside) is not an evil, its something that is a factor and you deal with accordingly.

Your Ural is new enough the remote issue with attacking rubber is not a factor.

Clean fuel is important, so using the local non Ethanol place makes sense (I sure as hell fill up at good looking fuel stations as I feel a good looking place takes care of its tanks)

Adding some Isopropyl to the fuel if carb ice is an issue as you ran into is fine. Fuel milege may (or may not) suffer a tad but you only need to add when you run into it.

On the other hand having traffic on your a$$ while going up that hill is a really bad thing as you could not get off the road.

Like most things, if used and managed right its not a problem.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by jvan1954 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:46 pm

thanks for taking the time to help me, a holey pan piston after some trash fuel many years ago have left me a tad paranoid on fuel fellas
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Re: ethanol question

Post by :FI:Igor » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:43 pm

10% ethanol gas will result in a 6% reduction in fuel economy. Ethanol has only 60% the energy of regular (real) gas. We have several gas stations here that offer 100% gas, it more expensive and usually not necessary. However, if you're feeding a two stroke engine (chain saw, garden cultivator), it is highly recommended as the two stroke oil and rubber seals are not completely compatible with ethanol. Additionally, 100% real regular will store better than ethanol bleeds.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by jvan1954 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:02 pm

Thanks, I guess I don't monitor my fuel usage that well because I live in the mountains and you take off in one direction and you are on some twisties where you almost meet your self, and the other is way more easy on the bike and me both
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Re: ethanol question

Post by windmill » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:03 pm

:FI:Igor wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:43 pm
10% ethanol gas will result in a 6% reduction in fuel economy.
Going by the energy content of the average fuel blends, under controlled conditions the MPG reduction should be:

E10, 3% to 4%
E15, 4% to 5%
E85, 15% to 27%
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Who's Ur Grandaddy ? » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm

pure-gas.org This is the site that has a list of gas stations in your state or any state. Canada too! I printed a list of the 192 gas stations in Oregon that have non-ethanol gas. I keep it in my trunk.
Edit : there is also a couple of apps available for this site. Also they give a GPS location for each gas station, for those of you who are into All that computer and newfangled phone stuff.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Lee Pape » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:09 am

This morning in my town E10 is selling for $2.379/gallon and E0 is selling for $2.729/gallon. Both are 87 octane. Even with the reduction in MPG it is still cheaper to run E10.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Pterodactyl » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:55 am

In west central Montana there are no stations that offer 87 or 89 octane gas without ethanol. Almost all stations only sell premium gas (91 octane because we are considered a high elevation zone) that is ethanol free.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Lofty » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Who's Ur Grandaddy ? wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm
pure-gas.org This is the site that has a list of gas stations in your state or any state. Canada too! I printed a list of the 192 gas stations in Oregon that have non-ethanol gas. I keep it in my trunk.
Edit : there is also a couple of apps available for this site. Also they give a GPS location for each gas station, for those of you who are into All that computer and newfangled phone stuff.
Those sites and apps are usually crowd sourced. That is to say, they depend on end user inputs to maintain the database of relevant fuel stations. Quality control (i.e., the accuracy of the lists) can be wanting. To date, I've used the app in good faith to guide me to two fuel stations that ostensibly sold ethanol-free fuel. When I arrived at each one, they were in fact closed, and had been for some time.

Best to call ahead, as circumstances warrant, in conjunction with using the app or site to choose a gas station at which to refuel.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Who's Ur Grandaddy ? » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:37 pm

Lofty wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:23 pm
Who's Ur Grandaddy ? wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm
pure-gas.org This is the site that has a list of gas stations in your state or any state. Canada too! I printed a list of the 192 gas stations in Oregon that have non-ethanol gas. I keep it in my trunk.
Edit : there is also a couple of apps available for this site. Also they give a GPS location for each gas station, for those of you who are into All that computer and newfangled phone stuff.
Those sites and apps are usually crowd sourced. That is to say, they depend on end user inputs to maintain the database of relevant fuel stations. Quality control (i.e., the accuracy of the lists) can be wanting. To date, I've used the app in good faith to guide me to two fuel stations that ostensibly sold ethanol-free fuel. When I arrived at each one, they were in fact closed, and had been for some time.

Best to call ahead, as circumstances warrant, in conjunction with using the app or site to choose a gas station at which to refuel.
I agree. It’s kind of like Wikipedia . The customers and vendors generate the information.
I hope that you deleted the two closed stations off the app.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Lofty » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:49 pm

Who's Ur Grandaddy ? wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:37 pm
Lofty wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:23 pm
Who's Ur Grandaddy ? wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:44 pm
pure-gas.org This is the site that has a list of gas stations in your state or any state.
Those sites and apps are usually crowd sourced. That is to say, they depend on end user inputs to maintain the database of relevant fuel stations. Quality control (i.e., the accuracy of the lists) can be wanting. To date, I've used the app in good faith to guide me to two fuel stations that ostensibly sold ethanol-free fuel. When I arrived at each one, they were in fact closed, and had been for some time.
I agree. It’s kind of like Wikipedia . The customers and vendors generate the information.
I hope that you deleted the two closed stations off the app.
In those particular instances, all I could do was send an e-mail to the app developer, requesting the removal of the closed stations.

I now rely on my Garmin's gas station locater function, as well as the 2 gallons of E0 carried in the Ural's jerry can, to keep me in motion. No more dodgy apps for this fellow, although I do understand their appeal.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by propwash » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:58 pm

Lee Pape wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:09 am
This morning in my town E10 is selling for $2.379/gallon and E0 is selling for $2.729/gallon. Both are 87 octane. Even with the reduction in MPG it is still cheaper to run E10.
This is the walmart mentality.
Really, it is only cheaper at the pump.

Many Iowans may benefit financially due to this government mandated farce, but tax payers and the environment suffer. Megacrops of fertilized, irrigated, harvested and transported corn to then process and put in fuel. Just dumb.
The nannies, noobs and marketers have ruined this place.

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Re: ethanol question

Post by windmill » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:50 pm

There's such a wide variety of "truth" about ethanol, we're all free to choose what "truth" best suits our individual needs, and ideology.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by Lee Pape » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:52 pm

windmill wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:50 pm
There's such a wide variety of "truth" about ethanol, we're all free to choose what "truth" best suits our individual needs, and ideology.
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Re: ethanol question

Post by jvan1954 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:08 am

Truth is not a flexible thing guys, only your interpretation can be flexible. Chemistry is an exact science(at least it used to be) I've come to the conclusion that there is no concise answer to my question, but I do thank you all for your input
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