460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

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460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by KansasCityLoser » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:55 pm

2016 Patrol. Coming around to the first 500, the manual says its time to change the oil, gear box, and final drive oils as well as the filter. Decided to do it a little early because I have to drive a lot this week and I'd rather be early than late. I used the specs for the oil types in the manual. For the engine and gear box I used Mobil1 v-twin 20w-50 and final drive got valvoline high performance 80w-90. New Ural spin on filter, ran it for about 2 minutes in the garage no leaks, took it round the block and it ran just fine. Although Ill tell you what, the oil that came OUT of all 3 of those places was pure black, and the magnetic drain plug had middle school science experiment levels of metals spiking off the ends.

Don't know what Im looking for in this post. Somewhat celebratory, Ive never changed the oil or even picked up a wrench before. Hell I bought my first house last year and JUST bought a drill and screwdriver set.

But specifically, I wanted to ask about the old oil and what it could mean and should I be worried about the new stuff I put in? Is pure black oil usual in just the first 500?? Because the oil I put in was a beautiful Amber. Should it have been that dirty? Or do you think when the dealer put the bike together they used cheap crap oil? Or should I have not gone synthetic at all, gone with a totally different oil type, and my bike is gonna break down or start smoking tomorrow when I drive it to work?

Total noob here. So please no :bs: posts, looking for genuine, friendly responses.

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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by VWK75S » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:02 am

I think you're all set, normal chaff on magnetic plugs during break in and oil selection good. :)
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Lokiboy » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:22 am

Do not over think a Ural. Ride within its design parameters, keep it serviced, and you'll have years of adventures. I use to overthink what's wrong, what's normal. Until, I finally decided to ride until she tells me something is amiss - and she will.
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:38 am

Ditto, the above bet your next oil change will look a little better. don't think the dealer did the oil ,if new it should come with oil from the factory as they have to make sure its running good. but don't hold me to this as im not sure.
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Ironhand » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:02 am

Someone here commented that a Ural does its final machining during break-in. The oil changes do get less terrifying.
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:51 am

all should be good, might change the oil again at 1000k just for piece of mind. cant hurt! Each Ural engine is a individual no 2 are the same. My 2016 at 300k oil like new, 1000k same ,so was the trans/final drive. Not even dark just a medium dark amber. the f/d did have some silverish dark swirl's but mostly clear.
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:08 am

During my first oil change, I switched to Dimple brand magnetic drain plugs. This is not necessary, but I wanted to try 'em out. Here's what kind of swarf accumulated on my original plug magnets when I pulled 'em for my first oil change:
2015-12-21 18.45.55.jpg
2015-12-21 18.48.03.jpg
2015-12-21 18.50.08.jpg
2015-12-21 18.51.56.jpg
Now, 22,000km later, the magnets only collect a thin layer of fine metallic goo, which I just wipe off and go about my bidness. Not even photo-worthy. Your new gears, bearings, races, and rotating shafts just have to get to know one another at this point. By the way, I use the exact same lubricants as you and have found them to work quite well.

A suggestion: apply a sealant to the area where your mechanical speedometer cable enters your transmission on the upper right rear corner of the transmission. Water has a tendency to enter the transmission here, which you don't want.
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:22 am

are you saying the dimple magnets dont pick up metal?
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by URAL CT » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:35 pm

Flash...Looks like it :mrgreen: ...so ya don't have a problem then, no swarf! I'm getting me a set :P :lol:
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:22 pm

think a dimple magnet would pick up something , if im wrong then , your engine, trans, and fd are absolutely perfect
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Yeah, sorry. I thought my first sentence would explain the photos, but I guess I wasn't clear. I took those photos during my first oil change: out with the OEM plugs, in with the Dimples. The Dimple plugs had not yet been installed when I captured the images.

The Dimple magnets are significantly stronger than the magnets in the stock plugs. The only downside (other than cost) is that the flat face makes them more difficult to wipe clean than the pointy, cylindrical Ural magnet.

EDIT - Here y'go. Here's an image of my Dimple transmission drain plug after transmission 2.0's first oil change. See, it attracts ferrous material:
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:15 pm

Just my 2 cents - the "swarf" on the plug magnets most often looks worse than it is, I wiped it off onto a clean white paper towel and it was just literally metal dust. Like powder.

Oils: engine: 20w-50; gearbox: 75w-90; final drive: 85w-140.

First couple of changes of the engine oil it should be semi-synth, to let it bed in some more (aka knock some rough spots off), thereafter fully synth.

Final drive: 1wd, 90cc; 2wd, 110cc. (Filling to max on dipstick often causes the shaft seal to leak.)


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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:23 pm

TCF, i read your first sentence again, and thought about what you said, and deduced that you were indeed correct ,and i am the dummy for not ingesting said information correctly! LOL (all this means is you right)
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:32 pm

Mr Wazzock ,not a biggie, but i was always under the assumption that you should break in a engine on Dino oil first ,then switch to synthetic if you want. Of course this is dated thinking, when syn oil first came out people said the engine wont seat in with syn, but that may have been false info, as i think most new cars/motorcycles, except the Ural are using syn from the kit go. ( could be wrong, was once before i think! )
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Re: 460km, first oil change on my bike... and EVER

Post by Buckhorn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:09 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:During my first oil change, I switched to Dimple brand magnetic drain plugs. This is not necessary, but I wanted to try 'em out. Here's what kind of swarf accumulated on my original plug magnets when I pulled 'em for my first oil change:
2015-12-21 18.45.55.jpg
2015-12-21 18.48.03.jpg
2015-12-21 18.50.08.jpg
2015-12-21 18.51.56.jpg
Now, 22,000km later, the magnets only collect a thin layer of fine metallic goo, which I just wipe off and go about my bidness. Not even photo-worthy. Your new gears, bearings, races, and rotating shafts just have to get to know one another at this point. By the way, I use the exact same lubricants as you and have found them to work quite well.

A suggestion: apply a sealant to the area where your mechanical speedometer cable enters your transmission on the upper right rear corner of the transmission. Water has a tendency to enter the transmission here, which you don't want.
2017-06-23 10.05.25.jpg
I bought Dimples for the 3 drain plugs. When I went to install the one in the FD, it started to get snug but the washer wasn't seating. I removed it and installed the original one. The Dimples have a large radius as compared to the factory ones. I'm thinking it might have been hanging up on this radius. I didn't want to take the time to check it out, but will the next oil change.
Also after a few rides I had a drip on the floor under the transmission. I snugged the drain plug a little more, but it still dripped. After a couple hundred miles I drained it, put the original drain plug back and refilled tranny. No drips!
Next oil change I'll have to look a both drain holes to check the chamfers, and fix them if they are not big enough.
I like the Dimples for their strength. Could probably pick up the sidecar with one, well maybe two. :lol:
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