Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Are ya having a problem with your rig? We'll try to help. Share your tech tips and experiences here. Dr. Billy Glaser, author of the "Unofficial 750 Ural Service Manual" site myural.com, is moderating this section.
Forum rules
Here is the place for you to ask questions about or share your experiences about servicing or repairing your Ural or Dnepr. Please post topics concering modifications or accesories in the "Modifications and Acessories" section. Please post oil related questions in the "Oil Threads" section.
Post Reply
RC20
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1369
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am
Location: Anchorage AK

Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by RC20 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:58 pm

I took quite a beating up the AK border way on the bad road, question is, are the OEM shocks that bad or should the pre load be moved up from low?

Some comments and thinking I am wondering if I was bottoming out? All new to me.

I could play with it but advice would be nice and what setting for what weight in the side car?

And should front and rear as well as side care have variations?

The bad road would be with a 100 lb plus load in the side car, around town not an issue and it will be mostly empty so don't plan to move once I find (if there is) a good place.
Fear No Gravel
Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

Current:
1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

What I Did (I quit June 2 , 2019)
Mechanic/Technician/Engineer: Electro Mechanical Systems

User avatar
lendrinkard
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1123
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:05 pm
Location: Peninsula, Ohio

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by lendrinkard » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:01 pm

I think the springs are stiff. I put a spring mounted seat on mine
2012 Gear up
130/40 jet, 3 shims, no mid-pipe, drilled slider, 2013 Branch pipes, all LED lights

User avatar
harryball
Order of Lenin
Order of Lenin
Posts: 1584
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:53 am
Location: Georgia
Contact:

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by harryball » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:38 pm

Pretty much try not to run over your shadow, the ride is very stiff. The heavier you (or the entire load) give the preload a click or two and see how you like riding it. Preload does not control ride smoothness. But it can help prevent bottoming out and bouncing effect.

Ditto on a sprung seat.
---
2017 - cT - "Georgia" My wife's rig.
2017 - M70/Retro, Sigmund. My wife's other rig.
Robert
http://HabitatForBats.org - Give a bat a home!

RC20
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1369
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am
Location: Anchorage AK

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by RC20 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:09 pm

Thanks, that is what I am tring to figure out.

Just stiff or bottoming out. More I thought about it bottoming out seemed more accurate but...............

If I can get the heat to back off I will ride empty locally and see how it does. Try mid setting then and any difference.
Fear No Gravel
Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

Current:
1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

What I Did (I quit June 2 , 2019)
Mechanic/Technician/Engineer: Electro Mechanical Systems

User avatar
Lofty
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1228
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:17 pm
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by Lofty » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:16 pm

The OEM suspension is...robust. I wish we were spoiled for choice as it concerns aftermarket alternatives, but we're not.

Increase the preload one click at a time during each test ride. Don't expect much improvement and you won't be disappointed.
Inventory:
2018 Ural Gear Up
2015 Suzuki DR650
1991 Bianchi Osprey
1952 Columbia RX-5 ('87, NOS)

User avatar
Tomcatfixer
Commissar
Commissar
Posts: 7214
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:10 am
Location: Gordonsville, VA

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:52 am

As one of the product testers for Ikon's forthcoming Ural shock offering, let me tease that, while I was not able to swap springs to find a suitable rate for my laden Mobile Chernobyl (but that was my fault, not Ikon's), the damping of the shocks was noticeably better than the Ural's stock Sachs shocks. I'll be purchasing a set of five Ikons when they're released.
- Chad

Gordonsville, Virginia, USA

Current rides:
2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F

Previous rides:
2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
Two different 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazers

User avatar
LRP
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 2478
Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:25 pm
Location: Deltona, FL

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by LRP » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:33 pm

Suspension travel is short/stiff spring rate to help from bottoming suspension.
A Harley cop bike sprung seat helps.
Army Bird Dog Pilot, Nam.
2018 CT
Traded '08 Patrol
2008 Royal Enfield cast iron military
1983 Honda Passport

19 previous motos

RC20
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1369
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am
Location: Anchorage AK

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by RC20 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:37 pm

As one of the product testers for Ikon's forthcoming Ural shock offering, let me tease that, while I was not able to swap springs to find a suitable rate for my laden Mobile Chernobyl (but that was my fault, not Ikon's), the damping of the shocks was noticeably better than the Ural's stock Sachs shocks. I'll be purchasing a set of five Ikons when they're released.
Thanks Tom, its an interesting issue. As much as I loved my 750 even back in the day I knew it did not respond the way you wanted on rough AK roads.

While the R80GS was not the handling champ by any stretch, its sure had and amazing ride. In a lot of ways it was the perfect AK cycle. It would do 65 on a pot hole road with no issues.
Fear No Gravel
Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

Current:
1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

What I Did (I quit June 2 , 2019)
Mechanic/Technician/Engineer: Electro Mechanical Systems

User avatar
Mr Wazzock
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 5537
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 pm
Location: Boston, UK
Contact:

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:00 pm

RC20 wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:58 pm
I took quite a beating up the AK border way on the bad road, question is, are the OEM shocks that bad or should the pre load be moved up from low?

Some comments and thinking I am wondering if I was bottoming out? All new to me.

I could play with it but advice would be nice and what setting for what weight in the side car?

And should front and rear as well as side care have variations?

The bad road would be with a 100 lb plus load in the side car, around town not an issue and it will be mostly empty so don't plan to move once I find (if there is) a good place.
I think what you're experiencing is normal, the stock shocks are effing hard. I've had daylight between my a$$ and seat more than a couple of times (boosted out of the saddle). I did once try tweaking the preload collars but as they all started at lowest minimum setting anyway, just made them harder. Doesn't bother me any more now, or at least not often.

PS (edit) I was told by the guy who gave me tuition that the rear springs should be firm, to prevent excessive movement there from changing the steering head angle, which messes about with the handling of the rig. Is also why the rear tire is pumped up a lot harder than the others.
Mike H
2016 Ural cT, in glorious terracotta
(aka Oranzhevaya Opasnost, "The Orange Peril")

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7596
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by windmill » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:54 pm

Another vote for a sprung seat.

It always catches me by surprise how harsh a Urals ride is whenever I ride one with a standard seat of any description. A sprung seat totally changes the ride quality.

Even a stiffly sprung seat like the deluxe swing seat is a major improvement, and a softly sprung Harley classic, or police seat can be downright luxurious.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

RC20
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1369
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am
Location: Anchorage AK

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by RC20 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:49 pm

Thanks guys, lot to think about. With it unloaded it feels springy again.

I'll play around with it, not sure I could stand a tractor seat but then what I have is pretty much that with less way to move around as that lip doesn't let you move much.

I do like to be able to dial them in better shock wise (as I recall the R80 did not have rebound or spring but it was perfect anyway so no need)

Might wind up doing both.
Fear No Gravel
Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

Current:
1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

What I Did (I quit June 2 , 2019)
Mechanic/Technician/Engineer: Electro Mechanical Systems

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7596
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by windmill » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:05 pm

RC20 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:49 pm

I'll play around with it, not sure I could stand a tractor seat but then what I have is pretty much that with less way to move around as that lip doesn't let you move much.

There's lots of options for "tractor" seats. A Harley police seat is as luxurious as a lazyboy recliner, and those who who have them enjoy day long comfort. The deluxe swing seat I prefer is based on the 3/4 bench so it's not as comfortable, but is better suited for an active rider. There's also several other options that work well for folks.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

User avatar
Mr Wazzock
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 5537
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 pm
Location: Boston, UK
Contact:

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 am

RC20 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:49 pm
Thanks guys, lot to think about. With it unloaded it feels springy again.
I don't weight that much, maybe 160 lbs, so I've pretty much kept min preloads all round. Bit better with luggage / camping gear on, but for a CT, it's probably dragging around about 40 - 50 lbs of extra crap anyway as a normal course of events (extra bolt-on accessories, like front & rear bumper bars, towbar, ammo box [full], Jerry can [usually full], two toolkits [mine + Ural] and other general sh!t I can't go out without taking with me).
Mike H
2016 Ural cT, in glorious terracotta
(aka Oranzhevaya Opasnost, "The Orange Peril")

RC20
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 1369
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am
Location: Anchorage AK

Re: Setting 2019 cT Shocks

Post by RC20 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:50 pm

I am 238 these days (working on it) and even empty the side car has 25 lbs of stuff (will get a bit more when I get my combination wrenches into the tool kit, keep the flat ones for holding the other end)

Lot more bounce empty so I suspect I need a heavier pre set on all. Still would like to be able to adjust the rebound. That was a decent setup on the Nighthawk S. Not as good as the R80 but it was sportier as well. R80 was no slouch but the S would simply haul balls once you got it over 7000 rpm.
Fear No Gravel
Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

Current:
1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

What I Did (I quit June 2 , 2019)
Mechanic/Technician/Engineer: Electro Mechanical Systems

Post Reply