Transmission not disengaging

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Transmission not disengaging

Post by Waffl6 » Wed May 29, 2019 8:33 pm

58xx km on this bike.

Here's the story:

Riding down highway 32, stop and go traffic. I stop behind an SUV and rev a little because I do that sometimes when there's nothing else to do. Only this time, the bike keeps moving with the clutch pulled. Eventually, the cable goes completely limp. Have to clutchless shift the bike the rest of the way home and stalled in the middle of the highway one time which was pretty scary. Kept it alive the rest of the way by keeping revs up with both brakes slammed when stopped.

Get home, adjust the clutch cable back to tight and boom...bike doesn't roll with clutch pulled in. Hold clutch lever in, kickstart, bike moves. Start bike with lever pulled in, bike lurches forward.

Note that I also tried taking all of the slack out of the cable to the point where it was extremely hard to pull the lever and it still didn't work.

Earlier in the day I noticed a new squealing noise, but I thought it was my brakes again, they've always been noisy after a heavy rain, which we had last night. Not sure if it was actually my brakes anymore.

That's all I've got...help.


Edit: I want to note that some $#!+ is screwed up with the arm. When the lever is pulled, it hits the speedo cable.

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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Lokiboy » Wed May 29, 2019 8:48 pm

Your clutch rod may be kaput. Very easy to change out.

From the “Best of How to”. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=28897 (Read this thread lots and lots of good info)

d. Indications clutch rod is failing/o-ring
1) Bike continues to move when the clutch is in
2) Continually needing to adjust the clutch cable where eventually clutch lever arm is just about up against the speedo cable junction at the tranny.
3) Oil seeps from clutch actuating arm
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed May 29, 2019 8:58 pm

If this is the problem, you're fortunate in that it's an easy repair.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Waffl6 » Wed May 29, 2019 9:01 pm

Lokiboy wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:48 pm
Your clutch rod may be kaput. Very easy to change out.

From the “Best of How to”. viewtopic.php?f=25&t=28897 (Read this thread lots and lots of good info)

d. Indications clutch rod is failing/o-ring
1) Bike continues to move when the clutch is in
2) Continually needing to adjust the clutch cable where eventually clutch lever arm is just about up against the speedo cable junction at the tranny.
3) Oil seeps from clutch actuating arm

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I literally just edited the post with a picture of the arm hitting the cable...may be on to something here.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Lokiboy » Wed May 29, 2019 9:04 pm

TIP: Reinstalling part #2. Using a Dremal, cut a small slot at the end for a small flathead screw driver (the end towards the clutch arm). Makes seating the rod into the clutch plate a simple 10 sec job.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed May 29, 2019 9:25 pm

I might have a clutch throwout rod in my Gordonsville parts hoard (I THINK I remember seeing one), but it's probably the older shorter style that won't work with your 2011 clutch. I can look this weekend when I get back there.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Count Zero » Thu May 30, 2019 4:30 am

Lokiboy wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:04 pm
TIP: Reinstalling part #2. Using a Dremal, cut a small slot at the end for a small flathead screw driver (the end towards the clutch arm). Makes seating the rod into the clutch plate a simple 10 sec job.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by VWK75S » Thu May 30, 2019 4:44 am

Count Zero wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 4:30 am
Lokiboy wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:04 pm
TIP: Reinstalling part #2. Using a Dremal, cut a small slot at the end for a small flathead screw driver (the end towards the clutch arm). Makes seating the rod into the clutch plate a simple 10 sec job.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu May 30, 2019 5:41 am

Not THAT end, John. You cut the slot in the ROUND end that nestles into the throwout bearing. The square end engages into the clutch's thrust plate...
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If you don't want to cut the slot, you can also use a small section of rubber hose to achieve the same effect. I, however, prefer the cut slot technique.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Wanderrad » Thu May 30, 2019 8:02 am

There was also a batch of bad clutch arms. Can’t remember the affected years, but I believe they were later than yours.
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Waffl6 » Thu May 30, 2019 9:20 am

The rod seems to be stuck...any advice?
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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by jaybird » Thu May 30, 2019 10:38 am

Pull the transmission.
The square wears and locks into the plate.
You might get lucky and coax it out with a piece of hose or needle nose pliers, but the path of least resistance is often pulling the transmission.

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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by Waffl6 » Thu May 30, 2019 11:55 am

The hose method worked.


My rod looks straight to me. Photo attached, sorry about the bad quality, I've got water in my phone case and grease all over everything.

There does seem to be some light scoring on the rod, kind of a spiral pattern. Normal?

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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by jaybird » Thu May 30, 2019 1:00 pm

The rod looks perfect, in fact it looks like it hasn’t been in service for long.
You have the new style bearing, all that looks good, perhaps the arm is bent, it looks like it might be the flimsy one.

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Re: Transmission not disengaging

Post by jaybird » Thu May 30, 2019 1:05 pm

Some people have had trouble with the clutch disks coming apart, you may have gotten those faulty parts.

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