Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by IndyChizzle » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:56 am

Bump. Just in case anyone runs across a sidecar frame with disc brake. I'd prefer one from a 1 wheel drive rig, if possible. If I could buy the sidecar body, frame, and wheel in 1 package, that would be ideal.
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Waffl6 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:30 pm

I don't know what year it's from but there is a sidecar body for $450 in Ohio. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 209349223/
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by rougaroo » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:24 pm

What difference does year make for the sidecar body? As long as it isn't rusted, they're pretty much the same. 1WD and 2WD are different, but other than that-

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:36 pm

What difference does year make for the sidecar body? As long as it isn't rusted, they're pretty much the same. 1WD and 2WD are different, but other than that-
I don't know what the difference is between 1WD and 2WD, aside from snowmen attachment hole location. What makes more of a difference is vintage: The nineties models have a different bolt quantity on the trunk, which influences which rack and spare tire carrier you can use. Also, 2013 and newer tubs have the twisty common-sense fasteners for the windscreen apron and tonneau cover, as opposed to the 2012 and older metal loops. Also, the older tubs don't have a trunk lock.
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:45 pm

Trunk lock is good to have option. :D
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by IndyChizzle » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:14 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:36 pm
What difference does year make for the sidecar body? As long as it isn't rusted, they're pretty much the same. 1WD and 2WD are different, but other than that-
I don't know what the difference is between 1WD and 2WD, aside from snowmen attachment hole location. What makes more of a difference is vintage: The nineties models have a different bolt quantity on the trunk, which influences which rack and spare tire carrier you can use. Also, 2013 and newer tubs have the twisty common-sense fasteners for the windscreen apron and tonneau cover, as opposed to the 2012 and older metal loops. Also, the older tubs don't have a trunk lock.
You nailed it, as far as what I'm looking for. I'd prefer the twist fasteners and a trunk lock on a sidecar frame with a disc brake.
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by rougaroo » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:41 pm

(tangential to thread but answering question)

I think - but am not 100% - that the door on the 1WD is different to accommodate the body being placed further forward on the frame. The 2WD axle comes at 90 degrees from the FD, so the sidecar wheel has to be farther back than with the 1WD.

Look at pics below, checking rear wheel, fender, and door position.
cT-sidecar-web.jpg
URAL_2019GearUp_Studio-1_final.jpg
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:46 pm

The whole wheel and fender assembly on the 2WD models is mounted further back. If you look at the sidecar swingarm pivot area, you'll see the difference. If I was at home, I'd snap some better angle pics to illustrate this.
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by 54vintage » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:43 pm

rougaroo wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:41 pm
(tangential to thread but answering question)

I think - but am not 100% - that the door on the 1WD is different to accommodate the body being placed further forward on the frame. The 2WD axle comes at 90 degrees from the FD, so the sidecar wheel has to be farther back than with the 1WD.

Look at pics below, checking rear wheel, fender, and door position.

cT-sidecar-web.jpg

URAL_2019GearUp_Studio-1_final.jpg

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Are you saying the drive shaft comes out at a 90 degree angle from the FD? If that IS what you're saying.....you might want to look again.
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by rougaroo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:35 am

Imagine a bird's-eye view of a Ural from directly overhead. In a 1WD the sidecar wheel is not in line with the FD but is forward a good deal. A line drawn from the FD to the sidecar axle to the front axle and back forms an obtuse triangle. In the 2WD the sidecar wheel is almost in line with the FD. If you draw the same line as before - FD to sidecar axle to front axle and back - it forms almost a right triangle. It isn't a perfect 90, but it's close.

Check out the Ural pics above. It isn't trick photography. The sidecar wheel on the 2WD shows more of the sidecar body than the 1WD. It's because the wheel is set farther back in line with the FD.

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:50 am

I have the advantageous position of owning two 1WD tubs and two 2WD tubs of differing vintages, so I broke out the tape measure.

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Though I've only included images of my "door" width measurement, I measured these things all kinds of different ways and the bottom line is that, dimensionally, they're basically identical (loose Russian assembly tolerances notwithstanding).
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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by rougaroo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:39 am

Chad - can't argue with that! Thanks for measuring. I was mis-remembering some ancient discussion on the sidecar door.

An overhead shot popped up in my news feed this morning, and I tried to draw in the angle difference between the 2WD and 1WD with my stubby fingers. The bike is a 2WD, so the red line is approximately the FD-sidecar-front axle triangle; the blue dashed lines are the 1WD triangle with the wheel farther forward. It's exaggerated by my drawing, but you get the idea.

Again, somewhere in the SS archives long ago there was a discussion about these triangles relative to stability. The geometry means that the 1WD is ever-so-slightly more stable in a left turn because of the forward sidecar wheel position.

Since you have both 1WD and 2WD, you can verify or disprove this with a straight edge and a ruler.

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:29 am

Yes, Bob, the 1WD models feature a hack wheel that is mounted notably further forward than the 2WD models. Owning both, I would say that the difference is most apparent when making a left turn, say, from a stop sign: my cT just arcs through the turn, basically effortlessly, whereas the Patrol resists the turn. I've experienced this same phenomenon on two Gear-Ups I've ridden, as well.

Perhaps these images will aid geometry visualization...

2020-02-20 10.07.07.jpg

The rear cross-tube on both the cT and Patrol hack frames extend across, under the tubs, and point directly to the rear shock lower mounting point. What I mean is that they're a good frame of reference for how much further the cT's hack wheel is than the Patrol's.

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:47 pm

Thanks Chad, the difference is obvious. Also, 1wd sidecars are much lower vs 2wd have distinct nosedive.
All four Urals I owned they were 1wd with telescoping forks and 18" wheels. Current GearUp is my first 2wd, although I have ridden 2006 GearUp for 40 miles from the dealer to friends home and he was behind me on his SUV.
1wd is my cup of espresso. 2wd is already a cappuccino for me :D

I personally like 1wd!
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1998 Honda f6 GL 1500 Valkyrie Tourer /Champion Escort sidecar
1999 Ural Deco Classic/BMW R100 engine
1980 BMW R100RT (2nd Heart Donor for 1999 Deco for more HP)
1983 BMW R80/7 (1st Heart Donor for 1999 Deco)
2002 Ural Barberian Classic
2003 Honda Shadow ACE
1999 Ural BC (went to US circus in Tokyo to adapt a bear driver)

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Re: Want to Buy: Ural Sidecar Body INDIANA

Post by IndyChizzle » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:49 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:29 am
Yes, Bob, the 1WD models feature a hack wheel that is mounted notably further forward than the 2WD models. Owning both, I would say that the difference is most apparent when making a left turn, say, from a stop sign: my cT just arcs through the turn, basically effortlessly, whereas the Patrol resists the turn. I've experienced this same phenomenon on two Gear-Ups I've ridden, as well.

Perhaps these images will aid geometry visualization...


2020-02-20 10.07.07.jpg


The rear cross-tube on both the cT and Patrol hack frames extend across, under the tubs, and point directly to the rear shock lower mounting point. What I mean is that they're a good frame of reference for how much further the cT's hack wheel is than the Patrol's.


2020-02-20 10.21.42.jpg
2020-02-20 10.21.52.jpg
2020-02-20 10.22.02.jpg
Thanks for posting; I appreciate the visuals.
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