URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by URALNUT60 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:10 am

Definately would like to hear testament from someone hear in the states on a 650. Video on here or you tube of installation and periodic adjustments would really be nice! Look forward to how this pans out! Seems like a quality product

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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by Idlon1 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:42 am

Any idea if this could be made to work on a sv750 (K750) engine?
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by SteppwolfMD » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:05 pm

Hello everyone, I’m from Moldova, Republica of, this year I bought Ural Gear-Up from 2007 with Keihin carbs, I wasn’t impressed how they work, and with my friend ( my friend own Dnepr MT11) we bought 2 kits from Belorussia. So what I can say ... we are happy, we can’t recognize our bikes.

Just take a look on next links:

https://youtu.be/9dhtL0gmh10 Cold Start Dnepr MT 11

https://youtu.be/ZVy4svlvcZ0 Hot Start Dnepr MT 11

https://youtu.be/gAYkLKmlw8U My Gear Up after installation
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by SteppwolfMD » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:07 pm

Idlon1 wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:42 am
Any idea if this could be made to work on a sv750 (K750) engine?

Take a look :

https://youtu.be/pF33xJYiiPQ

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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by eastbloc » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:05 pm

If these reports are accurate, they beg the question why Ilya has struggled to get a system together that works this well.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by Lofty » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:03 pm

I'd wager it's a matter of scale, and of a vendor's willingness and/or ability to accommodate IMWA's requirements regarding EPA certification, production and delivery schedules, and a host of other things that can't be easily dismissed with a single inquiry.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by eastbloc » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:47 pm

Lofty wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:03 pm
I'd wager it's a matter of scale, and of a vendor's willingness and/or ability to accommodate IMWA's requirements regarding EPA certification, production and delivery schedules, and a host of other things that can't be easily dismissed with a single inquiry.
I actually think the EPA certification has to be a big part of the story here.

This kit has to meet zero emissions requirements. They can let it run rich, start easily, perform well, and pollute. That's a major difference right there.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by Lofty » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:15 pm

eastbloc wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:47 pm
Lofty wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:03 pm
I'd wager it's a matter of scale, and of a vendor's willingness and/or ability to accommodate IMWA's requirements regarding EPA certification, production and delivery schedules, and a host of other things that can't be easily dismissed with a single inquiry.
I actually think the EPA certification has to be a big part of the story here.

This kit has to meet zero emissions requirements. They can let it run rich, start easily, perform well, and pollute. That's a major difference right there.
It would seem that EPA compliance could be just a modest part of the equation. Consider how easily it is to set fuel injection to be compliant, or not, via simple manipulation of the ECU's fuel map. Write the programming to be just under the legal limits, submit for testing, obtain the certificate. Done.

The ElectroJet system on my GU, for example, went from legal to illegal in the blink of an eye when the selling dealer downloaded the well-regarded Off Road fuel map via a single click on his laptop. I did the same on my V-Strom after installing a Power Commander V FI module. Setting the tune is the easy part, as experience illustrates.

I'd posit that the supplier that has the ability to provide the volume is the supplier that wins the contract. ElectroJet is well-established, and domestic. Keihin is a major worldwide player. Both are known quantities with established reputations. M2Boxer is...who?

That last bit is something that Ilya would have to care about.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by SteppwolfMD » Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:26 am

Hello Lofty,

I just selected next to respond my opinion:

“ElectroJet is well-established, and domestic. Keihin is a major worldwide player. Both are known quantities with established reputations. M2Boxer is...who?”

I think there in USA are many URAL and Dnepr, with carbs M2Boxer is someone who can make dream to be true, to have old motorcycle with EFI, second one ElectroJet is not so good many know about it, M2Boxer Kit is better than first Ural EFI Kit and this is not just mine opinion.

Do you heard about “Fine Customs Mechanics” ?! No ? So take a look http://fcm-moto.ru/featured_item/, all Ural with 750 engine use M2Boxers Kit, why they didn’t choose Keihin or ElectroJet? There a 2 Ural’s with charger that was modify and they put Belorussian KIT... another 2 Hercules and Gear-Up also have this KIT installed.

M2Boxer Kit is more friendly, it’s giving you possibilities to tune your motorcycle, correct, is not a big factory, it’s a good or better perfect KIT that offer your motorcycle and you a good ride.



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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by eastbloc » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:53 am

M2boxer isn’t manufacturing anything though, they’re just assembling this kit from off the shelf parts, which are presumably mass produced somewhere.

My point is more that it’s embarrassing that a hobbyist outfit can make something that works better than IMWA themselves.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by SteppwolfMD » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:35 pm

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eastbloc wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:53 am
M2boxer isn’t manufacturing anything though, they’re just assembling this kit from off the shelf parts, which are presumably mass produced somewhere.

My point is more that it’s embarrassing that a hobbyist outfit can make something that works better than IMWA themselves.
You are so smart :)))) many cars using parts from other company , do you need examples? I will give one :Germany company Bosch, yes they produce many parts like sensor that M2Boxer use in this EFI kit, oxygen sensor Bosch again is used in many cars and again is used in this EFI kit... What bad in this that they use parts that you can buy after one will be defect ? Is positive in my opinion, because after you can buy this part from market ! So throttle body is made by M2Boxer and ECU also ! But it’s supplied with sensors and other parts like other CARS company.
Special for you I will provide next link how is made throttle body:

https://www.facebook.com/10002441895332 ... 14043/?d=n

Show me URAL that can ride more than 100mph with factory IMZ EFI Kit.

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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:44 pm

They weren't able to take my money, being eastern european, all of the ways they had for payment were shady as hell and at around $650 at the time it was a hard pass. When I looked, they were off the shelf parts with some thoughtful vehicle specific fitting and a good starting map with a microsquirt for the ECU in a custom enclosure. They also included an electric fuel pump, timing sensor and coils. The price appeared to be fair for what they were advertising in the kit and I have been watching the "Fine Custom Mechanics" on FB, it obviously works. There are many videos about how to capture, log and view and change data on the microsquirt platform and it's very user friendly. It's a well known and open ECU platform and it's probably not EPA legal to have such a user programmable fuel map so it wouldn't be OK for an OEM. EPA certification is probably expensive to obtain even if it's easy to accomplish. SteppwolfMD put them on ebay, I'll buy one :)
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by SteppwolfMD » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:06 pm

BlueRockCrawler wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:44 pm
SteppwolfMD put them on ebay, I'll buy one :)
Hi,
I’m not seller, and recommend you to by direct from Belorussia, because I saw this KIT on eBay with 2 k $, somebody try to make easy money :)

Me and my friend bought our kits direct from M2Boxers. If he will put on eBay, Kit will rise in price with 20%.

Don’t be worry “M2Boxers” Artsemi’s name, very nice and friendly guy.

Take a look at my review on FB of this EFI KIT:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1048969 ... 773752303/

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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by Eric N » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm

I'm waiting to hear back from Artsemi on how to pay, but two kits (2013 and 2018) comes to about $2,000 with shipping.

Warranty on my 2018 doesn't expire for a couple months, but shipping from Russia tends to take several weeks anyway. The kit appears fairly straightforward, the Megasquirt has good support and I'm comfortable I can adjust the 825cc map as needed to help with cold weather kick-starting.
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Re: URAL/Dnepr 650/750cc EFI full kit

Post by eastbloc » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:17 pm

Eric N wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:56 pm
I'm waiting to hear back from Artsemi on how to pay, but two kits (2013 and 2018) comes to about $2,000 with shipping.

Warranty on my 2018 doesn't expire for a couple months, but shipping from Russia tends to take several weeks anyway. The kit appears fairly straightforward, the Megasquirt has good support and I'm comfortable I can adjust the 825cc map as needed to help with cold weather kick-starting.
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I'm thrilled you're taking the plunge. I still hate my Electrojet enough that I'd convert the Gear-Up to Keihin CVKs if it didn't involve major surgery.
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