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Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:34 pm
by Lmo
New thread.

I kicking around the idea of buying a Ruger PC 9mm carbine. Anyone else playing with pistol caliber rifles?

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:13 pm
by Niteblues
yep- Extar EP9. all usa mfg, made in AZ. 9mm; uses Glock mags, including the 33 rd 'fun stick'. Watched a bunch of u-toob reviews and they all said it was great. Even the 8000 round re-visit said it works like new.

$419

Actually, it is more than that, about $500, if you get the carry case for it like I did, tax and transfer fee at the local ffl they ship it to for you...
I wish I hadn't bought the carry case though, as I hear it won't fit if you have a red dot on it...

I should be getting mine in about 10 more days!

While I'm waiting for it, I went ahead and bought four of the fun sticks and stocked up on ammo (got almost 1,000 rounds at this point). Once I have it in my hands, I'll figure out the right sling, red dot and flashlight for it.

In my opinion PCCs make a better home defense gun than an AR; which is one of the reasons I went that route.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:52 pm
by GoatTracks
I've shot the Marlin Camp-9 a few times. Older gun but very reliable. Straight blowback bolt design. Takes a doublestack 30 round stick mag if you want max firepower :machinegun: . Almost no recoil and lots of fun to plink with.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:55 pm
by Niteblues
The extar also is a straight blowback design

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:56 pm
by GoatTracks
Oh, friend of mine got a High-point carbine a couple weeks ago, still waiting for his review.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:49 am
by jvan1954
I have three hi points 2 C 9s and a carbine. I live close to a free state owned range and try to train at least twice monthly. People talk $#!+ about them but in four years the only problem I have had was two bad mags causing an occasional misfire. Since I figured out which mags were causing the problem they have been trouble free. Side arms are big and clunky. Overall these pistols are as good as anything I own (and I have several) inside of 40 yards. The carbine routinely smacks an 8 in steel target at 100 yards. Which is plenty to ask from a nine. Ammo costs a fraction of what it takes to train with my ars. One drawback for some is mag capacity. Comes with a 10 rd. There is a good 15 rounder but the 20 round clips that I have tried all suck pretty bad. They are getting popular enough that there is starting to be more aftermarket foo-foo for them. For the money they are the best home defense out there, IMO. There is an Hitchcock review on face book where he is impressed by them also.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:01 am
by isldtime
I have a Ruger PC9 Chassis model. Added a compensator,extended mag. release, larger charge handle and a Sig Romeo 5 red dot. with the included mag adapter I use Glock happy sticks (would not be legal in Ca.)
They do sell a Ca. legal version.
Great fun at the range banging steel!!

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:38 pm
by robp
I have the earlier version of the Ruger 9mm Police Carbine that was produced between 1996-2006. The stock looks more like the 10/22 versus the newer PC9. I remember comparing it to the HighPoint at the time and the Ruger seemed a bit heavier, more solid. It seems to shoot and handle well, although I think the trigger is pretty stiff. It came with a ban-era 10 round magazine that is compatible with the Ruger 9mm pistols of the same era. I have a bunch of 20- and 30-round aftermarket mags; the 20-round mags seem to have feed problems but the 30-round ones always seem to work fine. All in all it's a fun gun to shoot.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:16 pm
by Lmo
:lurker: ... anyone else want a beer while I'm up?

I'm reading more and more 'pro' arguments in favor of carbines over handguns for home defense; shorter length, more easily sighted, recoil more easily controlled, alternate close-quarters 'weapon', harder to disarm in a hand-to-hand situation, etc. But definitely some shortcomings...

Anyone care to comment?

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:42 pm
by GHGoodwin
I like the idea and have been looking at buying/building one for fun.

Home defence - Benelli M4 SBS. Trigicon co witnessed with tritium OEM sightds and zeroed at 20yds. 5 + 1 capacity but if I ain't got you in three or four I'm behind cover and reloading.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:33 pm
by Rich Maund
I have a "Dirty Harry" model S&W pistol. Not pleasant to shoot magnums though. But the .44 special IS very pleasant at the range to use. And I can reload for .44. If I could spare the money I've love to have a Henry .44 lever gun.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:05 pm
by Niteblues
Lmo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:16 pm
... But definitely some shortcomings...
what would the shortcomings be, in your view? When I was speaking to the lady at Extar, she said they have not sold any guns at all in CA; not allowed or something.

...but that would be a shortcoming for you, not me here in GA

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:17 pm
by robp
I'm reading more and more 'pro' arguments in favor of carbines over handguns for home defense; shorter length, more easily sighted, recoil more easily controlled, alternate close-quarters 'weapon', harder to disarm in a hand-to-hand situation, etc. But definitely some shortcomings...
I did buy my carbine for home defense and I would think the reasons you listed are valid, IMO. I did install a cheap laser sight that enables me to point-and-shoot from the hip or any other position quite readily.

Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:25 pm
by Lmo
Shortcomings, of a 'long gun' for home defense?

Handling in a confined space comes to mind first; granted, your home is a well-known confined spaced (not like trying to negotiate a strange darkened building)

Use of both hands (if not equipped with pistol grip (as a California weapon would not)) to operate.
they have not sold any guns at all in CA; not allowed or something.
Yeah, I expect not...
Pistol grip alone disqualifies it for CA use.
The ability to accept magazine capacities greater than 10 rounds.
Detachable magazine
Threaded barrel (no suppressors allowed)
Less than 30" long
Shrouded barrel that would protect the hand from being burnt (seriously... not kidding)
ad nauseum.

Ref > https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2

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Re: Pistol caliber carbines?

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:43 pm
by isldtime
Ruger also has a PC Charger. You have a snow flakes chance in hell getting one in Ca. :lol: