Another hack added to the herd

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Another hack added to the herd

Post by Snakeoil » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 pm

I never thought I'd have more than one sidecar rig. But either there is something in the water or the C in C19 virus stands for Chad and I've just caught what he has.

This week I added another hack to the herd. I pick it up tomorrow. It's a 1944 HD sidecar that I'm going to put on my '47 Knucklehead. The hack is blue, but not the right blue to match my original paint bike. But it will do for now.

Goal is to sort it out mechanically and electrically over the next week or two, then attach it to the bike and see if it lights my fire. I've ridden the Knuck for the past 2 years as a solo bike after 10 years of waiting to get my engine back from one of he nation's best Knucklehead guys. It was worth the wait. I went thru the entire bike myself and it is pretty much as-new mechanically. But on the outside, it shows all the wear and tear and scars from 42,000 miles of ownership and 50+ years of living under a tarp. It starts on the first kick and runs like a Swiss watch.

Here are a few pics I took on Friday when I bought the hack.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by brianural » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:43 pm

Nice. My brother just got his 42 HD Flat Head running and has a 40's hack he adding to it.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by jaybird » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:55 am

Nice piece, good luck with it. :cheers:
Sidecars seem to grow on you, I have 12.

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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Lmo » Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:51 am

I am so envious.... I wanted a hack for my '47FL. It should make a great tug.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by stagewex » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:00 am

That is so cool. Can't wait to see pictures of the two hooked-up together.

No flying the HD Chair?
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2019 Honda CRF450L (Elec Start)
2008 Vespa 150S (Elec & Kick Start)
2007 Ural Patrol (2WD, Elec & Kick Start)
2006 Honda "Big Ruckus" PS250 (Elec Start)
1991 Honda XR250L (Kick Start Only) *NOT running amok, out for Bottom & Top-End Rebuild.
1986 Yamaha BW200ES (Elec & Kick Start)

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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Snakeoil » Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:13 am

Thanks, guys.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy about this. Going to be a fun adventure.

I don't expect flying the chair is going to be an issue. They've been fly HD chairs since before Urals were even an idea. It will be interesting to see what it's like with the rigid frame on the Knuck.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Lmo » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:30 pm

It will be interesting to see what it's like with the rigid frame on the Knuck.
That's what that pogo stick is for. Road surface compliance might be something however. But given the nature of 'road surfaces' when it was built I don't think you'll even notice it.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Snakeoil » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:37 am

Tub is off the chassis and sitting on saw horses. Interesting to compare Ural hacks to vintage HD. I would say that the Ural tub is more robust than the HD tub. Granted, my Ural was built as a 2000 model and the HD tub was made during WWII.

The HD chassis however is a beast. With the tub off, moving the chassis around using just the hack wheel is a struggle. Doable, but you are grunting all the while you are moving it.

Found some repairs on the tub that were not apparent when I looked at it. Deep in the nose is a weld repair so it bumped something in its life. There was also a small patch under the seat area, probably water collected there and rotted the steel. All easily addressed when it comes time to paint it.

There was a good sized dent in the fender that is now just a deep scratch. Daughter told me her hubby bumped something one day when his foot slipped off the brake pedal.

Today's efforts will go into breaking down the mounts. Requires some big open end wrenches and mine are back home. So, need to borrow my farmer buddy Dave's wrenches and tackle the mounts. Been soaking them with PB Blaster and they look like they might have been greased when they were initially assembled. Mounts are for a later model swingarm HD, a '67. So can only use the front lower tie-bar mount. Spoke to my buddy Dan and he's got anything I might need to mount this. Looks like a matter of top clamp assemble and rear ball socket. Maybe a bolt or two. All Dan's stuff is OEM. He's been buying it up at swap meets since the 60's. With the mounts off, I'll pull the hack wheel. I suspect I'm going to need oversize ball bearings. HD wheels have the races machined into the hub. So when things wear, you fit bigger balls. And we can always use bigger balls, right?

I'm planning to haul the bike out to the lake next week and if I can hook up with Dan and get what I need in the mount department, the hack should be installed on the bike in a couple of weeks. My alignment beams are home and I need to bring those out as well.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Snakeoil » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:06 am

I am having serious second thoughts about putting hack on my bike. I started down the path last week. Part of the process is to form a relieve "dent" in the front header pipe to clear the front tie bar of the lower front mount. This is SOP for a hack install on this vintage HD. I probably have 4 days or more into fitting that exhaust to the bike. They never made an exhaust for an EL, only the FL. So, it had to be shortened. But it also has to be coerced into place. I cannot imaging having that job in the factory back then. Anyway, I pulled every fastener and clamp and the system was still rock solid to the engine/chassis. It was almost like it was welded in place. I stared at it for an extended period and kept asking myself why I want to disturb something that fits that well. Keep in mind that there is nothing holding the headers to the heads other than a friction fit and the clamps on the frame. So, I put the bike back together and am going to chew on this for a bit. Maybe make it a winter project. Or maybe just sell the hack.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by brianural » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:01 pm

Rob - if you decide to sell, my brother may be interested. He's in PA, so not too far from you. Thanks brian
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Geno89074 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:33 pm

NICE!!

Will be a WLA that is better than the regular WLA"s

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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Snakeoil » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:43 pm

Geno89074 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:33 pm
NICE!!

Will be a WLA that is better than the regular WLA"s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJ5ME7angU
Not really. WLA is a flathead 45. My bike is a EL Knucklehead so 61c.i. and a lot more snot. But then again, yes, it will certainly be better than a WLA.

Had it out today. Got it inspected. It's a great machine. Glad it's still a solo bike.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Geno89074 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:51 pm

NICE!!
I wasn't aware of the engine differences...I have ridden restored knuckleheads and saw a really nicely restored WLA with sidecar here in Las Vegas a few years back but didn't get to ride it. Had the thompson (with a trigger and cable lock) and what looked like a period correct brown holster/scabbard for it.

Yours sounds like a Great Project.

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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:07 pm

But either there is something in the water or the C in C19 virus stands for Chad and I've just caught what he has.
I guess when people use you as joke reference material, that's when you know you've "made it", eh? :lol:

That hack looks like a fun project. I hope you're able to sort out the challenges.
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Re: Another hack added to the herd

Post by Lmo » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:27 am

Oh... my.

Mecum Auctions, January, 2020.

1940 Harley-Davidson FL Knucklehead ... $220,000

https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0120-39268 ... ucklehead/
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