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Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:10 pm
by Marine Corps Codu
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:53 pm
it is a Clone of the submachine gun used by the SLOVAKIAN Military & Police. It is sold in the USA in Semi-Auto mode - with an extendable TAIL HOOK BRACE added (which can be shouldered) & can get one out of registering it as a SBR. Looks to me like an IDEAL HOUSE GUN with 30 round magazines - pin point accuracy (braced) - 9mm so won't penetrate neighbors homes. Some very entertaining You Tube videos of it.
I'm Including the same Photo I'm sending SANTA
I think I will stick with my 12 gauge loaded with alternating rounds of slugs and 00 buck!!

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:07 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
Joe123451979 wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:39 pm
Oh and out of curiosity how does one conceal carry a stribog?????
NOT FOR CC. For Home Defense & Structure Clearing. The US Army just bought 350 of the Swiss version for special units.

If you watch some of the Videos, their usefulness is very obvious.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:42 am
by Joe123451979
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:07 pm
Joe123451979 wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:39 pm
Oh and out of curiosity how does one conceal carry a stribog?????
NOT FOR CC. For Home Defense & Structure Clearing. The US Army just bought 350 of the Swiss version for special units.

If you watch some of the Videos, their usefulness is very obvious.
I’ll watch the vids although it probably won’t change my mind I’ve had many guns in 9mm that had 30 round mags tech9 ab9 uzi clones etc etc none of them seemed ideal for home defense

There is just something to be said for big and slow bullets
Perhaps the stupid tokarev I just got will change my mind on small fast bullets again but I kinda doubt it .

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:47 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
Joe123451979 wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:42 am
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:07 pm
Joe123451979 wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:39 pm
Oh and out of curiosity how does one conceal carry a stribog?????
NOT FOR CC. For Home Defense & Structure Clearing. The US Army just bought 350 of the Swiss version for special units.

If you watch some of the Videos, their usefulness is very obvious.
I’ll watch the vids although it probably won’t change my mind I’ve had many guns in 9mm that had 30 round mags tech9 ab9 uzi clones etc etc none of them seemed ideal for home defense

There is just something to be said for big and slow bullets
Perhaps the stupid tokarev I just got will change my mind on small fast bullets again but I kinda doubt it .
"IT" IS RUMORED TO BECOME AVAILABLE IN .45acp EVENTUALLY

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:13 pm
by BinDerSmokDat
Even in .45, "why?"
I see zero advantage for home defense.
Realistically you have two scenarios, sneaky burglar type entry or violent home invasion.
You hear something go bump in the middle of the night...where is your Stribog?
It doesn't fit in a typical, easy-access handgun safe or even nightstand drawer.
Stribog under the pillow?

I'd rather roll over and have a handgun instantly at my fingertips.

Next up, home invasion.

You generally don't get a lot of warning. But again handguns stash pretty easy, Stribog is where? Hanging on the coat rack in front hall? And a quickly accessed handgun gives me defensive protection AND potential to fight my way to additional firearms.

Not saying it wouldn't be fun to shoot or it isn't a good PDW for a tank crew (but I'd rather have an MP5 PDW in that scenario).

But at home defense, it fails.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:43 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
BinDerSmokDat wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:13 pm
Even in .45, "why?"
I see zero advantage for home defense.
Realistically you have two scenarios, sneaky burglar type entry or violent home invasion.
You hear something go bump in the middle of the night...where is your Stribog?
It doesn't fit in a typical, easy-access handgun safe or even nightstand drawer.
Stribog under the pillow?

I'd rather roll over and have a handgun instantly at my fingertips.

Next up, home invasion.

You generally don't get a lot of warning. But again handguns stash pretty easy, Stribog is where? Hanging on the coat rack in front hall? And a quickly accessed handgun gives me defensive protection AND potential to fight my way to additional firearms.

Not saying it wouldn't be fun to shoot or it isn't a good PDW for a tank crew (but I'd rather have an MP5 PDW in that scenario).

But at home defense, it fails.
EXCUSE ME -I didn't realize you were an authority. I however; am an opinionated, experienced, old guy - who does things in my own way.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:06 am
by BinDerSmokDat
I just think people have unrealistic fantasies about home defense. They confuse gun NEEDS vs WANTS in particular.

The goal is to stop the threat, period. That means fast reaction to a threat, not the most rounds.
Even with police carrying much larger magazines than in the past, the average number of shots taken hasn't gone up appreciably since the 70's.
Most cops are killed BEFORE they even get to fire a shot.
They are trained professionals carrying a gun practically at their fingertips and THEY don't have time to react.

I've had guys tell me I need an AR to defend myself in my home. :machinegun:
That's a great idea!
I won't be able to navigate tight corners in my smallish 50's rancher, I'll have to come out wider when rounding corners exposing more of myself, AND maim people beyond my property line.

I haven't even gone into the possible shittiness of the gun itself as several reviews have noted...

Not what I'd want to rely on defending my life.

It's a blowback gun, so while you get more rounds, there is an extra-heavy bolt banging back and forth in there, throwing back while the round is still exiting the gun.
Not what I want when reacquire site picture for follow-up shots in a life-threatening situation.
Ohhh but wait it has a stock, problem solved! :roll:

It is not an HK MP5 with a roller bolt, a much better design but with the same accessibility issues in a home defense situation
If you just want the LOOK of a Navy SEAL, clearing a room but without the actual MP5, get a Stribog.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:05 pm
by DisplacedYooper
I'm in the Ol Skool trench shotgun 6 ball double OO person.
One pull of the trigger, 6 30 cal bullets are heading to the bad guy. Better than a machine gun with barrel lift.
The only problem is I have Grand Children, all guns are locked up, cable receiver locks,.......
By the time I got a gun out, it probably won't matter.........

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:20 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
Why didn't you wise up the guy with the big cap & ball revolver. You managed to find one bad review & run with it (which MAC retracted). If you study the subject, many experts declare the MP5 OBSOLETE, + even the clones are overpriced. NOT TELLING ANYONE TO DO, OR BUY ANYTHING - least wise not uninformed combative Know-it-alls. I don't care what you think you know, & certainly don't find your advice helpful - & am getting on great with out it.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:17 pm
by windmill
I did live fire, and MILES urban assault training in the military........back when I was young, fit, and cocky......

Now a days.....reality check.....the image of a fat old man in PJs going tactical in a house with assault weapon seems totally absurd......... I figure hide....most likely in bed.... and ambush at point blank range with a pistol would be my best home defense.

I must admit the keyboard commandoing as an excuse for a new toy is entertaining.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:45 pm
by Joe123451979
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:20 pm
Why didn't you wise up the guy with the big cap & ball revolver. You managed to find one bad review & run with it (which MAC retracted). If you study the subject, many experts declare the MP5 OBSOLETE, + even the clones are overpriced. NOT TELLING ANYONE TO DO, OR BUY ANYTHING - least wise not uninformed combative Know-it-alls. I don't care what you think you know, & certainly don't find your advice helpful - & am getting on great with out it.
Not sure exactly what “wise up the guy with cap and ball revolver” meant but I figure it’s directed at me sense that’s my usual edc

There has got to be something to say about hitting what your aiming at the first time. That’s my whole point
Oh and that it is very unlikely anyone will have a home invasion with 15-30 intruders I guess what I’m saying is if your a bad shot by all means a small caliber gun with lots of ammo is probably a good thing for home defense

I’ll stick with shooting what I’m aiming at the first time
By all means though if I am wrong and hitting what your aiming at the first time is stupid and there is a very real possibility of 15-30 people breaking into my house then please wise me up I’d love to hear how accurate shooting and one shot one kill is bad

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:51 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
SUCH NEGATIVITY - Stribog isn't my only option (which I'm not discussing). I think Black Powder Cap & Ball weapons are a bad choice - but I don't go looking for people to put down because they like it. Only shared Stribogs because I like them. From now on - I will keep the firearm discussion "Argument Bait" to myself. I really don't care what any body else does - as long as it doesn't affect me.
Giving leads to the ungrateful - is not mandatory, or rewarding at all - & probably a bad idea in general.

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:39 am
by Joe123451979
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:51 pm
SUCH NEGATIVITY - Stribog isn't my only option (which I'm not discussing). I think Black Powder Cap & Ball weapons are a bad choice - but I don't go looking for people to put down because they like it. Only shared Stribogs because I like them. From now on - I will keep the firearm discussion "Argument Bait" to myself. I really don't care what any body else does - as long as it doesn't affect me.
Giving leads to the ungrateful - is not mandatory, or rewarding at all - & probably a bad idea in general.
I feel the same way about giving leads to the ungrateful weird !

In all honesty cap and ball revolvers probably arnt the greatest choice for home defense and so neither is a stribog and I would expect a crap load of naysayers if I posted about how cap and ball are the ultimate home defense gun.

People would point out that a follow up shot is difficult with the big smoke cloud covering the room

Then I would have to argue about how many times they shot a cap and ball revolver in a small room. It would likely be zero.

Then they would say it was underpowered I would then have to post the data from my chronograph and that of a colt45 and the beloved 1911 and it would go on and on and on

You know what I think I will make a post about how back and ball revolvers are the greatest thing sense sliced bread

Only when some old crotchety dude with a lot of experience regarding defense or one shot one kill and hitting what your aiming for gets on I’ll think I will take some kinda mental note and go out to the range mabey even blow a few more holes in my house to actually see how much smoke is produced and how well I can see for a follow up shot

Lastly I apologize for my negativity regarding the specific model of gun you are interested in and I will also say the same thing I told all the nay sayers about cap and ball

It really doesn’t matter what I choose To carry around for self defense or what I keep under the pillow .

What matters is how often I pack it how comfortable I am using it and how much I practice with it and if I can hit what I’m aiming to hit

Your stribog may be the best home defense gun for you.
I don’t think I could hit what I’m aiming with it but I sure could with a big ole Remington and so my cap and ball is probably what’s best for me as I wouldn’t pack around a big stribog on my belt
For god sakes the Remington already pulls my pants down ....

Again I apologize for my negativity

Re: EVER hear of or SEE A "STRIBOG"

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:45 pm
by Joe123451979
No matter what the propellant is no one is walking away from this first shot it is very unlikely I would need a second shot let alone a 30th keep in mind that’s a further distance then I can shoot at anyplace in my house And a hell of a lot further then most self defense situations happen.

A lot of people threw their own 2 cents into this post one brought up a 1897 Winchester 12 gauge if I remember correctly. It’s an excellent gun and even one I used before for my in-house gun I mean what better then that scary universal cachunk sound to scare away a burglar hell their is a reason they were used in the trenches of world war 1
It is an excellent choice for home defense, well so I thought untill one day I was clearing my own house with it I went downstairs rounded the corner.... it’s too long of a gun for around a corner . If I was a burglar and was inside a house and heard someone coming downstairs and I can’t run away through the window I just broke into in time I’m gonna wait right around that corner and grab the barrel of that long gun and try to wrestle it away before I get shot

Sooo anyhow away went the 1897 Not an ideal gun at least for my house It’s too long even if shot from the hip

There was one guy I remember who got it spot on who commented on this post

It was the guy with the 38 special 4 inch barrel
That to me from trial and error is pretty much the ultimate gun for home defense well other then the 38 special part I’m kinda more in favor of something a tad bit bigger but I do also have a 4 inch 38 special for home defense for the girlfriend despite her favoring the Remington cap and ball and I would feel fine using that for my only home defense gun.

Again this is all what I noticed from trial and error your results may very and in the end it really doesn’t matter what I you or anyone else says
The ultimate gun is the one you use everyday and can hit your target with the first shot and have a few more shots left just Incase you need them. Practice practice practice with whatever you choose to use keep an open mind and try to switch things up a little and experiment with what you choose hell shoot a few holes in your house I have!





Hell at one point in my life I used a tek9 for awhile
I won’t get into the short comings of that though neither will I go into the uzi