2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

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2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by soundlogic » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:00 pm

I just took delivery of a “new/old stock” 2018 Gear-up, with 50 miles on it, on Father’s Day. It was shipped from the dealer in Plano, Texas to my home in N. Idaho, therefore I did not have a chance to do any kind of “pre-purchase test” of any kind. I have ridden it twice with no issues...except, I cannot turn on the sidecar LED spotlights. I have checked the fuse, and it appears intact. Any suggestions?
(My nearest dealer is about 375 miles one-way, so consequently, I will be my own “local mechanic”)
Thanks in advance!
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by treebone » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:22 pm

Welcome to the club.
I would start by loosening (no need to remove) the two bolts holding the steel plate the switches and fuse box are mounted on. If you have a windscreen on the hack, you might want to remove it. pull the plate off and check all the wire connections for corrosion or looseness, clean and tighten if needed. Then trace the wire loom out of the tub to the front leg, up towards the gas tank you will find a connector that you can disconnect to check for corrosion or maybe it was not fully engaged. If those spots do not solve the problem you may have to dig deeper, but I have not gone that far and not able to advise.
Since you are getting aquainted with your new rig, it would be a good idea to lay out your tool roll and take out tools one at a time. Go all around the bike with each tool and try it on whatever fastener it will fit. This will help you familiarize yourself and you will no doubt find a number of things that are loose. By the time you try each tool you will have made quite a few trips around your machine and have a much better idea of how it is put together. Better to learn at home than on the road.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by Donbmw » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:26 pm

Make sure the accessory plug for the Sidecar is plugged in at the front strut. There is a inline 20 amp fuse under the seat also.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by siberman1 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:30 pm

soundlogic wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:00 pm
...snip... to my home in N. Idaho, ...snip... Any suggestions?
(My nearest dealer is about 375 miles one-way, so consequently, I will be my own “local mechanic”)
Thanks in advance!
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Where are you in N. Idaho? Post where you are so folks may be able to help. I am in SE ID, dealer here is mainly an Indian dealership. I made some useful suggestions to them as they were building the store, like door width that a Ural would fit through. Ha , ha. They were having troubles with a couple of GUs, so I steered them in some directions for that also. Maybe they improved in the past couple of years, I have no idea if so.

Parts or "bling" as they call it are somewhat easy to find on Black-Grey Markets, other owners selling this or that. Be patient. Other than that, Terry in Ohio, Holopaw in Florida, Ural New England, Boston Mass are excelent parts sources. Ural NE is a little on expensive side, but usually has nearly anything.

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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by windmill » Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:35 pm

A 2018 has a handle barswitch that isn't very durable, I had 2 fail. I've since replaced it with one from Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0190 ... UTF8&psc=1
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I had to file it down a little on the back to clear the brake fluid reservoir, but it seems to be holding up ok, and is easier to use.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by Eric N » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:36 pm

Wiring diagram is at:
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... 281%29.pdf

There are two connectors that go down the front sidecar strut, one for sidecar fuse panel power, one for the switch that might be mixed up.

Other than that, it's gonna be chasing the wiring.

I have similar switches to what Barry posted and have had good luck with them for over 2 years.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by soundlogic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:00 pm

Thanks to ALL, for the great suggestions! I will start the chase down process as time free's itself around here. Also, great suggestion about the tool kit and nut tightening.
To Siberman1, I am in Hayden, ID. about 100 miles south of the Canadian border.
Thanks again Y'all, and be safe and healthy!
I will update when and if I find the gremlin.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by RC20 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:04 pm

You need a volt meter and start tracing power. First check is at the fuse. Next one is at the switch.

If power to the light, then at the light. Bad LED possible, if there is power to the light then its a bad light.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by jeffsaline » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:57 pm

RC20 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:04 pm
You need a volt meter and start tracing power. First check is at the fuse. Next one is at the switch.

If power to the light, then at the light. Bad LED possible, if there is power to the light then its a bad light.
If there is power to the light and the light doesn't light it could also be a bad ground.

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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by windmill » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:12 pm

jeffsaline wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:57 pm
RC20 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:04 pm
You need a volt meter and start tracing power. First check is at the fuse. Next one is at the switch.

If power to the light, then at the light. Bad LED possible, if there is power to the light then its a bad light.
If there is power to the light and the light doesn't light it could also be a bad ground.

Best,

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The ground wire for the 2 lights is also the ground for the relay that supplies the power to the lights. If the switch activates the the relay, and supplies power, it could only be the ground wire from the fuse panel to the lights.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by soundlogic » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:30 pm

Update to my LED spotlight issue:
Ordered a new switch from Amazon. Checked continuity of old switch via waterproof connector below tank going to sidecar, no bueno. Temporarily tested the Amazon switch into the connector going to sidecar using alligator clips. Lights worked! Without the key on...which is apparently the way its wired. In the meantime, I took the clear waterproof cover off the factory switch and sprayed contact cleaner into the front and began working the swich, and bam! the lights started working. So, at this point I'll just roll with the factory switch. I will keep the Amazon switch as a spare, since I know it will be a matter of time when the factory switch goes South again. Thanks again to all the forum members wo chimed in with the great suggestions and comments!
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by Eric N » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:31 pm

soundlogic wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:30 pm
Lights worked! Without the key on...which is apparently the way its wired.
Many people put a relay in the fuse panel, connected to a keyed power source, to keep the lights from being accidentally turned on/ left on.

It's not uncommon for me to come back to my bike and various switches have been adjusted. Someone getting the satisfaction of turning on one set of lights, might then be motivated to do other things for additional rewards.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by Lofty » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:33 pm

Eric N wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:31 pm
soundlogic wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:30 pm
Lights worked! Without the key on...which is apparently the way its wired.
Many people put a relay in the fuse panel, connected to a keyed power source, to keep the lights from being accidentally turned on/ left on.

It's not uncommon for me to come back to my bike and various switches have been adjusted. Someone getting the satisfaction of turning on one set of lights, might then be motivated to do other things for additional rewards.
I've semi-retired the sidecar LED driving lights, so to speak. I'm rather unimpressed with their performance during night riding. As the mounting bracket isn't adjustable, there's little I can do to improve the lights' aim. They do have some utility as a visibility aid during daylight riding. That's about it.

I like the aesthetic of the sidecar's paired LED lights, but I wonder if the legacy spotlight, with a proper lens and bulb upgrade, would provide a greater ROI for the rider. That was certainly the case when I upgraded the OEM headlight with the popular Hella 7" headlamp and Auxbeam NF-S1 LED bulb combination.

Yes, the company's choice to use an unswitched circuit to power said LED lights is mildly frustrating. I've not yet discovered anyone mucking about with the switches and levers on the rig. If I ever start a Go Fund Me page for bail money, you'll know why. :lol:
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by windmill » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:45 pm

Lofty wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:33 pm

I like the aesthetic of the sidecar's paired LED lights, but I wonder if the legacy spotlight, with a proper lens and bulb upgrade, would provide a greater ROI for the rider. That was certainly the case when I upgraded the OEM headlight with the popular Hella 7" headlamp and Auxbeam NF-S1 LED bulb combination.

That's exactly what I did with the spotlight on my M70, a standard Hella H4 5 3/4" headlight fits perfectly. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hla-002850001

I used a Hella with the Auxbeam NF-S1 just like the headlight. The low beam is still wired to the handle bar switch, and the high beam is connected to the headlight high beam circuit.

That gives me 3 levels of light, all legal and safe for other road users. (actually 5 if one counts city lamp, and off)
1, single low beam
2, double low beam
3, double high beam

Clips in like normal, rubber boot fits, add standard plug and wire for high beam.
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Re: 2018 Gear-Up sidecar spotlights not working

Post by Burt1713 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 pm

I did the same as Barry on my 17 CT only I put the switch in the ground for the spotlight so I can shut it off completely. At night the spotlight interferes with the camera I have mounted in the MG mount so I turn the spotlight off when using the camera.
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