raceway twin stick install on 2019

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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by cjlyth » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:50 pm

Wow a lot of comments and I didn't see any notifications, thanks for chiming in everyone!

Yes I'm installing this mostly for relieving foot pain. I have occasional gout flareups in one or the other foot. I have been using the forward/reverse on my right foot pretty consistently to find neutral. I also like to leave it in gear then it's off and when I start it in the morning I hop on and off just to start it and put it in neutral. I'm thinking the hand shifters will let me find neutral without getting on the bike in the mornings and generally when riding in city traffic which I do daily. I am also really looking forward to taking some movement off my sore feet for normal shifting in the city :)

I am pretty happy with how the bottom bracket got on and I will share a picture later. I ended up disconnecting all of the linkage, getting a spacer from the hardware store and spraying some WD40 all over and just wiggling it until I could get the nut on that bracket. In the end there is only a couple of threads on it but I think it will work.

For the mast tube, raceway has been awesome. They talked me through it a couple of times and offered to install it if I wanted to do the 6 hour drive down there. Instead they sent me a modified bracket. I will be trying the install again tonight and I can't wait. I am sure this will work.

Thanks Raceway team!
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by cjlyth » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:56 pm

The u-bolt is on the top right bracket in the picture you posted. It's blurry but it's there. Here is another angle for that bracket.

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:13 am
Part of the confusion is that there are three distinct kits:
- Reverse only
- Reverse and 2WD (not called "Twin Stick by Raceway, but has the same number of "sticks" as the following kit)
- "Twin Stick" Forward gears + reverse gear

http://racewayural.com/product-category/shift-kits/

Since the OP used the phrase "twin stick" in the subject line, I believe he is attempting to install the last of the three.



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EDIT - I must say, the photos on Raceway's instructions page do a terrible job of showing how the lower left foot shifter linkage pivot is attached to the frame. It looks like a clamp-on bracket, but the OP mentioned a U-bolt, which I don't see...
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:12 pm

Ah, I understand now. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Also, I'm glad that you're making progress with the install.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by cjlyth » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:30 am

Getting close! The new mast tube bracket worked perfectly with the modification they made. The gas tank fits perfectly, I will get a picture in the morning.

The reverse shifter linkage is working but there is a healthy clunk when it hits the gas tank. I haven't been able to get the linkage right on it yet.

The other linkage is much worse, it really doesn't work at all yet. I'm having trouble getting one piece tight. I'll include a picture of that. You can see the washer is not centered in the one picture. It's actually completely loose despite the nut being tight. I hope the threads didn't get stripped in my battle getting it on there.

You can see how the nut is only on by a thread or two. It's not even on the locking section. I am worried I have to take the whole thing off again which will make me .. unhappy.. :)

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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by glacoste » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:42 am

shifter mount.jpg
flameball shifter knob.jpg
I had a problem with the lower bracket as well. The mounting stud on the crash bar did not want to go all the way through. Had to grind the bracket opening wider to make it fit right.
If you want to put a shifter ball on go to flameball.com. Some come with lights. If you do get one with a light in the knob I think you'll need to have the arm off to drill a small hole for the wiring.
Good luck!
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Post by glacoste » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:11 am

shiftercrashguard.jpg
Sorry I didn't notice your other photo showing the gap on the lower bracket. My lower bracket had a bend in it as well to help it fit properly. My frame is a 2013, not if that matters or not I don't think so.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:19 am

Nice Flameball. I've got the same one, wired with an LED.

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A word of caution about ordering a Flameball - it's a one-man operation and the owner-proprietor often has to pause production to address personal business. Just wanted any potential customers to be aware.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Snakeoil » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:25 am

I just read thru this thread out of curiosity. Reminded me of the old JC Whitney catalogue from the days before the internet. Pretty much every bolt-on accessory they sold included the sentence, "Some modification may be required.". Of course their stuff was dirt cheap so you did not have high expectations that it would just slap on when it arrived.

Looking at that lower bracket that fastens to the stud on the crash bar, can you not remove that stud and install a longer one? Bending the hear so that it is no longer properly aligned with the stud/nut is kinda cobby. What is required is a longer stud and a spacer. They could have included that in the kit. Even a longer bolt and a spacer would have probably worked.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:56 am

What is required is a longer stud and a spacer. They could have included that in the kit. Even a longer bolt and a spacer would have probably worked.
I may be mistaken, but it appears that the foot shifter linkage pivot shares the left cylinder guard mounting stud.

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If this is the case, then it would have been difficult for Raceway to include a longer stud in the kit for a reasonable price or a simple installation.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by glacoste » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:56 pm

Just a thought. Why not remove the cylinder guard and reinstall with the nut behind the shifter bracket. Perhaps you'll be able to tighten up the nut as you feed the cylinder guard back through. The shifter bracket would just hand over the bare end of the cylinder guard stud. Mine was like that before I purchased the cylinder guard. The shifter bracket is mounted pretty good without that nut holding it in place.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Lofty » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:05 pm

I thought this thread would get me closer to investing in a hand shifter linkage kit. Presently, it's had the opposite effect.

There's this one, I suppose. Hopefully, its simplicity would inoculate it against multi-page threads, lol.

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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by bgenest » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:26 pm

"I will get a picture in the morning."

cjlyth, will that be a pic of the new bracket or the tank reinstall? The reason I ask is that I bought the same stick as you, but I picked up mine almost 2 years ago for my '15 patrol and have not got around to do the install. Now that we have some down time I'll do the install. I am wondering if I will run into a similar problem. Thank you for posting this.
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by Happytrails » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:14 pm

This thread is bringing back all the painful memories from this install. :)

My reverse lever bumped into the bottom of the gas tank as well. A little adjustment and it should work perfect.

The flameball looks pretty cool 8)

That bottom bracket is a bit of a headache. Hope you get it sorted :o
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by cjlyth » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:14 pm

glacoste wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:11 am
shiftercrashguard.jpgSorry I didn't notice your other photo showing the gap on the lower bracket. My lower bracket had a bend in it as well to help it fit properly. My frame is a 2013, not if that matters or not I don't think so.
I think I should bend mine more, with a smaller spacer. I would like it to fir like your does. Thanks for sharing the pic!
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Re: raceway twin stick install on 2019

Post by cjlyth » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:17 pm

Happytrails wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:14 pm
This thread is bringing back all the painful memories from this install. :)

My reverse lever bumped into the bottom of the gas tank as well. A little adjustment and it should work perfect.

The flameball looks pretty cool 8)

That bottom bracket is a bit of a headache. Hope you get it sorted :o
to avoid knocking the bottom of the tank, I have to unscrew the linkage almost all the way, I mean like 1/2 a turn is all I can have on it. I just rode around for a couple of hours and at one point it fell out. I cranked it down a bit and it seems to be snug now but still shifts without hitting the tank. I may put some blue threadlock on all of these connections. My shifter also just fell out of the mast tube :D
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