Starter solenoid

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Starter solenoid

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:08 am

My starter solenoid is apparently dead. I have voltage to all the places I should have voltage before the solenoid, and none after or clicking when I hit the button. When I finally get tired of kicking it and get in there to pull it, I was wondering as to the functionality of the part. Does it throw out the starter gear or can it be replaced with a 'ford' type that's just a heavy relay?
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by rivers » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:46 am

Haven't been inside a Ural solenoid but in others what commonly goes bad is corrosion on the internal big copper contacts. Those just turn into power robbing hot areas and won't kick out/activate the bendix (starter drive). Clean corroded, burn't pieces back to 'shiny' clean.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by MonkeysUncle » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:57 am

Check out Gobium's video. Should help.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:24 pm

Thank you,
Edit: as I was typing someone posted the video that answered all of my questions
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:54 pm

Ok, so I pulled and cleaned it. Then went to throw some voltage to test it. Whith the body grounded, I first checked the Bendix, no problem when you just put 12v to the trigger terminal it moves the plunger just fine and 12v to the motor spins freely. Put 12v to the terminal where the battery would go and it sparked?!!? Then it started to heat up. Drawing 10 amps with about 1.6 ohms resistance. No problem, I thought, bad solenoid. Called Terry Crawford and found out the bad news that you can't get just the solenoid, gotta get a whole starter. WTAF!!!! :gahhh: :brickwall:
I'm out, I'm putting a new starter on and selling the bike. Keep your eyes out in the black market section for a good deal on a 2015 patrol next week. Or PM me with a reasonable offer. I was thinking about getting rid of it anyway, but was dragging my feet because it's such a blast, but that camel just got it's last straw, fell over, had a seizure, crapped itself and died in agony.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by AndyH » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:13 pm

BlueRockCrawler wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:54 pm
I'm out, I'm putting a new starter on and selling the bike.
That''s a shame, the starter on my 2015 was playing up, pulled it cleaned it and checked it as per Gobiums video. It worked on the bench, put it in the bike and it would last a few days before failing again.
Ended up buying the new version, slightly shorter and easier to fit. Haven't had an issue in the last 5,000 kilometers.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:07 pm

Yeah, I love the bike, but I live in an apartment in the city. You need a garage if you're going to maintain one of these yourself. I was hot that you have to replace a $25 solenoid with a $217 starter, but I've cooled down. Still, I realise that this bike isn't for my use case and hopefully I can sell it to someone who can give it a good home.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by VWK75S » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:40 am

BlueRockCrawler wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:07 pm
with a $217 starter,
Rewind shop for about $65
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:53 am

Shame you have to get rid :(
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by BlueRockCrawler » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:10 am

VWK75S wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:40 am
Rewind shop for about $65
John
Locally, I got quotes from $100-$200 for a starter overhaul. From the tone of many information requests, I got the distinct feeling that more than a few didn't want to be bothered to take my money to work on a Russian bike part they'd never seen before. I don't blame them, if they have paying work on Fords and Chevy's, that Russian bike could be more trouble than it's worth . It's not the motor that needs to be rewound, the motor load test fine and I went through Gobi's video to clean it out and it wasn't really that bad. It's only the solenoid that's bad, must be all that new compression for the right sided piston and cylinder I just had to replace :feelsgood: From my experience selling parts the solenoid is more common to fail(though you still have to check the motor to make sure it's not drawing too much) and is a part that should have an expected price range from 10-25 bucks with a maybe a few higher outliers for a brand new one. But even if it's one of those outliers, I should be able to buy it, and not the entire starter with it attached. I understand that new unit is a better sealed Taiwanese upgrade which is why I'm willing to spend the money to fix my bike right, and hopefully not have to worry about the starter again. Mr Wazzock, I don't HAVE to get rid of it because of the starter, I want to get rid of it because it's stopped being a fun adventure keeping it running. I live in a highly populated metro area and have a terrible operating environment for a Ural. My daily commute is half stop and go city driving and half flat out highway and all murder on this bike. Then, you have the lack of a garage, I have a cover, but it's still on street parking and it sits while I ride the snot out of the DR 650. Time to fix the bike to running condition, and step back and take a breather from the zen of riding and maintaining Russian motorcycles :lol:
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1993 Suzuki DR 650
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1996 750 Magna
2002 750 shadow A.C.E.
2004 919
1985 500 Magna

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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:23 am

Yes I understand, and I didn't mean only because of the starter. :D
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