2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
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2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by treeman1942 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Today, I did the 3000-mile service on my Gear Up, engine oil change (Royal Purple Motorcycle 20/50), valve adjustments, etc. My left bank had one valve tappet with zero clearance, the rest were within specs. Seemed odd to me but it now runs much better, at least it seems. Also, I did notice that the valve cover gasket was somewhat torn but decided to try and use it once more. It didn't work and leaked badly. Luckily, I had a replacement gasket which I had just ordered from Crawford Sales. It is now leak free after a 20-mile test ride.

Also, I didn't have any Permatex type gasket stuff so I spread a light coat of grease on the gasket. Was that a mistake? Also, the zero clearance on the one valve, could that be problematic? Opinions, negative or positive appreciated!

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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:04 pm

I've never applied sealant to valve cover gaskets, but I have zero experience with the new 2019 four-bolt valve covers.
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by treeman1942 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:13 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:04 pm
I've never applied sealant to valve cover gaskets, but I have zero experience with the new 2019 four-bolt valve covers.

Thanks, Chad,

I thought of not applying any sealant, and now wish I hadn't! :feelsgood:
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Lokiboy » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:17 pm

At least with pre-‘19s, the valve cover gasket is put on dry. Tighten the nut(s) sung + 1/4 turn
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by chaos2 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 pm

I'd recheck that tight valve after another 500 -1000 miles. If it's tight again it could be a problem.
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by treeman1942 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:30 pm

chaos2 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 pm
I'd recheck that tight valve after another 500 -1000 miles. If it's tight again it could be a problem.
Thanks for your advice. I will check it again after 500 to 1000 miles. :old:
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:45 pm

Interesting. I never heard of it having 0 clearance and normally opening/closing of valves. And your engine operated OK?
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by chaos2 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:53 pm

valve seat recession comes to mine, but that usually happens in older engines without hardened valve seats
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Lofty » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:02 pm

treeman1942 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:13 pm
I thought of not applying any sealant, and now wish I hadn't!
Provided your grease application was paper thin all the way 'round, it's nothing to worry about it. I'd actually be more concerned if you had used a product like Permatex. Insomuch that the valve covers do require recurring removal, I'd be concerned if you had used a perma-anything of the incorrect formulation on the gasket. Grease is safer.

By way of example:
Safety-wiring the bolts on the Suzuki DR650 Neutral Sending Unit switch is a commonly recommended maintenance item. I've owed two DRs, and I've done the job on both bikes. Gaining access to said bolts requires removal of the clutch-side engine case cover. The owner is well-served by applying a very thin coat of grease to the gasket before refitting the case cover. This is true whether the original gasket is re-used, or a new one is fitted.

The foregoing is particularly something to keep in mind if there's ever any doubt about the condition of a gasket when reusing it.

Full disclosure: I've removed and reinstalled the Ural's valve covers, with the OEM gaskets in situ, several times now. The condition of the gaskets was such that the need for grease wasn't perceived, and so they were fitted dry. Not a gram of oil seepage to date. The OEM valve cover gaskets are several orders of magnitude thicker than the paper-thin case gaskets used on the Suzuki, so...as needs must, here.
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by RC20 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:02 pm

I've never applied sealant to valve cover gaskets, but I have zero experience with the new 2019 four-bolt valve covers.
Silicone seal is a long standing fill in for a clamp no pressure gasket like these. Not a great fix but it works.

Sometimes gaskets sag and a gasket adhesive is needed.

I need to tackle mine as the gasket tore on the first service (I was on the road and Fernande did it). I did ask them why they would open it up without a spare gasket (and I will have two spares when I open mine up)

It sounds like 2019 may have adhesive on both sides. Not needed and detriment to removal as they will tear.

The other side looks like and feels like from the fastener tensions they did not take it off so a hmm there as the valves would not have been checked on that side.
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by treeman1942 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 pm

Yes, I would say that the 2019 Ural does have some adhesive on the valve covers. Mine was okay with the first 300-mile valve check but the right bank gasket broke on the 3000-mile check. One more thing, not sure that my one valve clearance was totally closed, but just couldn't get the 004 gauge into it, plus it looked closed but probably wasn't. I will be replacing both gaskets with the silicone type at the next valve check, 6000 miles.
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Geno89074 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:59 pm

please post up your feelings on the silcone style valve cover gaskets if you get to try them out
i am going to get some valve cover gaskets for mine and am curious if they may be better for efi rigs

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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Peter Pan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Once I tried on the 2013 inflated Teflon (Gylon green 1/16"). It too stiff for the one nut valve cover for to use it without extra sealant. Just a odd info for someone like me, who has that stuff on hand. (Gylon green = excellent and long lasting for steam aplications. After years of use it will reinflate in half an hour while you check/repair the steam valve.)
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Re: 2nd DIY service on my 2019 Gear Up

Post by Donbmw » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:37 pm

Have been using Realgasket brand Gaskets for aircraft for years and on my BMW motorcycles and from the start on my Ural. They have them for the 2019 model.
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