Hard starting '14.

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:48 pm

Man thats the worse Hillbilly accent i ever seen written
If I'm not mistaken, Ol' Waz is from a country that has neither hills nor Billies. :P
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:08 pm

We have the odd hill, but no billies. :D

This is the double act the joke came from (tho it's not in this)

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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:30 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:08 pm
We have the odd hill, but no billies. :D

This is the double act the joke came from (tho it's not in this)

The Two Ronnies - Yokels - YouTube
don't forget Benny Hill! :boogie: :boogie:
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by stagewex » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:22 pm

I think we had "Who's on 1st" way before Benny Hill. But I love him too.

I am however a big Dave Allen fan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbgqtvJOJus
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by eastbloc » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:52 pm

Update after several weeks:

Although the new Taiwan e-starter makes electric starting much more reliable in that the battery is less likely to die before the bike starts, and the car battery I installed gives me lots of cranking amps, neither of these solve the problem of repeated stalling after starting and the need to start multiple times before an idle can be maintained.

Using starter fluid is a 100% reliable way to get the motor to start instantly using either the e-starter or kickstart, stone coldm regardless of weather and temperature.

Once started on ether, the motor idles immediately without stalling, warms up easily, and runs great afterwards, especially with the O2 sensors disconnected. I look forward to installing the O2 sensor eliminators which should arrive next Monday to get the MIL light to go out.

I'm now completely satisfied with the fuel injection, having resolved my main qualms - difficult starting and long warm-up times. I remain uncertain as to why some are afflicted with this problem while some aren't.

I found that a 7.5oz can fits right into the tank toolbox. It will now live there permanently.

While I continue to research ways to use the pressurized fuel system to squirt fuel into the system on demand, I plan to perform a low-tech modification by installing a check valve into the side of the airbox through which to spray starting fluid. While it's a small hardship to unplug the breather to spray fluid into the airbox, the extra stress on the breather hose from being removed has caused it to crack and not stay attached to the engine side.
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:54 am

eastbloc wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:26 am
Mr Wazzock wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:10 pm
eastbloc wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:34 am
Why would I open up the throttle, you ask, while pushing the starter? For some reason, when it's cold outside, opening the throttle to WOT before pressing the starter and then letting it close while keeping the starter button depressed causes the engine to start faster and with less cranking.
^ Noted
Curious to hear if this works for anyone else.
Sorry this is old news now. But I have just found again a note I saved re this technique.

Didn't work for me. Also there is another possible problem. You know how you need to have WOT when doing a compression test? Well I had the starter motor struggling and even stalling while WOT, because the compression in the cylinders is too high. :o Especially when battery is getting tired.

But this is all academic now, given the alternative Easy-Start aerosol option. (Which I haven't needed to try yet.)
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:56 am

stagewex wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:22 pm
I am however a big Dave Allen fan:
Mucho respek .. :bow:

Yep luved Dave Allen. The Abbot & Costello routine is a classic of course. :thumbsup:
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:10 am

eastbloc wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:52 pm
Update after several weeks:
<condensed>
. . .
Using starter fluid is a 100% reliable way to get the motor to start ...
Adding this blurb to my former cold starting notes ...
I look forward to installing the O2 sensor eliminators which should arrive next Monday to get the MIL light to go out.
We want info! Image

I'm now completely satisfied with the fuel injection, having resolved my main qualms - difficult starting and long warm-up times.
Fab. :thumbsup:
I found that a 7.5oz can fits right into the tank toolbox. It will now live there permanently.
Yep no hardship to carry one around.
... I plan to perform a low-tech modification by installing a check valve into the side of the airbox through which to spray starting fluid. While it's a small hardship to unplug the breather to spray fluid into the airbox, the extra stress on the breather hose from being removed has caused it to crack and not stay attached to the engine side.
Well yes, pulking hoses off and putting back is not ideal at all.

Remember I mentioned that there is a small drain hole in the bottom of the air filter box at the rear? Surely it must be possible to use an extension tube on the starter fluid can nozzle, a la WD40, ACF50 etc. cans, to reach into it? Or swap to a nozzle cap that can use one. I've not investigated this yet.
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:00 pm

Chad...Still have the vacuum ports from the pre-OBII days?
I never installed vacuum ports on my compliance fittings or throttle bodies. Perhaps you have me confused with Albuquralque or gobium.
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2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
1986 Yamaha FZX700S (a different one than above)

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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by eastbloc » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:13 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:00 pm
Chad...Still have the vacuum ports from the pre-OBII days?
I never installed vacuum ports on my compliance fittings or throttle bodies. Perhaps you have me confused with Albuquralque or gobium.
Not sure who raised this question as I don't see it in recent posts, but I do have vacuum ports installed on my TBs.
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Re: Hard starting '14.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:04 am

I believe they deleted their post, but it's too late! I already quoted you, mystery question-asker! :lol:
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2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F, 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazer

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2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
1986 Yamaha FZX700S (a different one than above)

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