Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

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Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by septantrionalis » Wed May 06, 2020 6:20 pm

I love long distance riding. I own a 2003 Yamaha FZ1 with over 200k miles on it. Its not uncommon for me to take 4000+ mile road trips over the summer. I got a 2018 Ural Gear Up a few months ago and have been debating on taking that on a nice long distance trip. Has anyone done that with the Ural?

What do you do with regards to the pusher tire? I've read stories that the pusher tire doesn't last long. My bike has 1500 miles on it and it already visibly worn down. Is there a pusher tire out there that can last 4000+ miles, or do you guys just swap out the tire at any motorcycle shop during the trip? Can you just take the Ural to any motorcycle shop to get the tire replaced? Do you carry a second spare tire for long trips? So many questions...
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by wooden nickel » Wed May 06, 2020 6:28 pm

I usually get about 7000 to 8000 miles out of my Heidenau K28 tires in the pusher position. A lot depends on the pavement and your riding style though. Both of the Urals I have owned have had a spare on the trunk. If I was going on a long trip I would have another tire with me. I always carry a spare tube and rim liner.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by chaos2 » Wed May 06, 2020 6:39 pm

People have taken Urals cross country but not me :lol: It's a blast around town but the BMW is much more enjoyable eating up the miles.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by Lofty » Wed May 06, 2020 6:58 pm

septantrionalis wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:20 pm
I love long distance riding. I own a 2003 Yamaha FZ1 with over 200k miles on it. Its not uncommon for me to take 4000+ mile road trips over the summer. I got a 2018 Ural Gear Up a few months ago and have been debating on taking that on a nice long distance trip. Has anyone done that with the Ural?

What do you do with regards to the pusher tire? Is there a pusher tire out there that can last 4000+ miles, or do you guys just swap out the tire at any motorcycle shop during the trip? Can you just take the Ural to any motorcycle shop to get the tire replaced? Do you carry a second spare tire for long trips?
I know of at least one thread member that has used his Ural for long-distance work (round trip Maine to NC) to attend one of the SS rallies. Can't think of his User Name at the moment. Perhaps he'll see this post and add some good intel.

I'd first suggest riding your Ural on some test trips, of varying distances, to determine your tolerance for the bike's ergonomics, before asking it to do the same work as your FZ1. You'll be riding a bit more slowly on the Russian bike, to be sure.

As for tire longevity in the pusher position, the Heidenau K28, as mentioned, provides perhaps the best ROI.
Your Gear Up has a temporary use spare wheel assembly, so deferred repair of flat tire (tube) shouldn't be a show stopper.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by windmill » Wed May 06, 2020 8:03 pm

septantrionalis wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 6:20 pm
I love long distance riding. I own a 2003 Yamaha FZ1 with over 200k miles on it. Its not uncommon for me to take 4000+ mile road trips over the summer. I got a 2018 Ural Gear Up a few months ago and have been debating on taking that on a nice long distance trip. Has anyone done that with the Ural?

What do you do with regards to the pusher tire? I've read stories that the pusher tire doesn't last long. My bike has 1500 miles on it and it already visibly worn down. Is there a pusher tire out there that can last 4000+ miles, or do you guys just swap out the tire at any motorcycle shop during the trip? Can you just take the Ural to any motorcycle shop to get the tire replaced? Do you carry a second spare tire for long trips? So many questions...
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I got 10,000 miles out of a K28 and change my own tires. Urals are meant to be DIY bikes, If a shop offered free at the time of purchase mounting I'd take them up on it, but I would never pay, or leave it at a dealer to have it done.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by rougaroo » Wed May 06, 2020 10:12 pm

It's the geometry that gets you. The Ural doesn't lean, so every time you corner you're scraping minute rubber bits from the tire. Check out the wear on the pusher and sidecar wheel and you'll see shoulders where the surface is worn flat across.

2014-2018 bikes unfortunately don't have interchangeable wheels. The old - and now new - solution is to carry a spare wheel on the rack on the trunk. Other folks like to rotate their tires, especially sidecar to pusher. Doesn't actually buy you any mileage overall, and you end up changing two tires at the same time. Real long-distance riders like Hubert all carry spare tires strapped on the bike somewhere.

For 2014-2018, though, I think you're stuck changing out the pusher yourself or at a bike shop along the way. If it is really vexing enough, I guess you could upgrade to the new interchangeable wheels, but you'd need the entire disc brake caliper and rotor for the rear wheel (I think - not positive on that). You can buy a lot of tires for that.

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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by windmill » Wed May 06, 2020 10:40 pm

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the spare and wheels.

2015-2018 bikes have 3 universal interchangeable wheels (front, side, spare) a dedicated pusher wheel (rear). The 3 universal interchangeable wheels can be used for all 3 positions (front-side-rear), but are limited use for the pusher (rear).

Rear;
https://www.imz-ural.com/blog/2016/08/1 ... pare-wheel
Front;
https://www.imz-ural.com/blog/2016/08/1 ... pare-wheel
Side;
https://www.imz-ural.com/blog/2016/08/0 ... ecar-wheel

The 3 2015-2018 universal wheels can be converted to unlimited use in all positions including pusher (rear) by just upgrading to the new Italian rims. No other modifications need to be done to the hubs or bike. The large hub pusher wheel can't be converted to universal use.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by :FI:Igor » Thu May 07, 2020 6:48 am

I use Duro's, get 8000 km out of the pusher. The tires won't be the limiting factor; my tail can't handle more than 250 miles on a Ural in one day.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by Penrod » Thu May 07, 2020 8:53 am

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I'm one long distance rider. Maine to the CRAP gathering in Asheboro, NC in 2018, 2,400 miles round trip, approximately. Maine to the BURP gathering in the Meadows of Dan, Virginia last year: about 2,200 miles round trip. Half a dozen 350 mile days both times. 2 lane all the way. As an old guy, 71 Saturday, I do find long days like that tiring because you have much more upper body input than on a regular bike. I replace the pusher tire (Heidenau K28) when it gets down to the wear bars at around 4,000-4,300 Miles. Unlike some, who proudly post photos of their pusher with no tread whatever and the cords showing. Tires are cheap. 24,000 Kilometers now, about 14,000 miles in 4 riding seasons. Very reliable 2015 cT. 50-55 mph is the sweet spot for cruising. The 2019's and 20's have various mechanical improvements and can sustain faster speeds.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by atlasheating » Thu May 07, 2020 9:51 am

I had to change a flat tire on a trip. Not hard. Then I got a new tube and replaced the tube at home. Really not hard. A little more difficult that a bicycle tire. I keep spare tubes with me as well as tire irons. Some people keep extra tires with no rim on a long trip, and change them out when needed. You Tube has tire changing videos to help

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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by SidecarDan » Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 am

The sidecar tire barely wears, similar to the rear tires on a front wheel drive car. When the pusher tire wears down just swap the two, problem solved, you just doubled the length of your trip with the same tires.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by septantrionalis » Thu May 07, 2020 12:44 pm

SidecarDan wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:57 am
The sidecar tire barely wears, similar to the rear tires on a front wheel drive car. When the pusher tire wears down just swap the two, problem solved, you just doubled the length of your trip with the same tires.
This is good idea. One thing I learned is that not many shops will replace the tires on the Ural. Most motorcycle shops aren't equipped to lift up a bike with a sidecar. There's only one Ural shop in my area and he's pretty flakey. I may have to learn how to replace the tire myself. This is probably a good thing to know, in case I have to deal with it on a ride.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by RC20 » Thu May 07, 2020 2:21 pm

I replace the pusher tire (Heidenau K28) when it gets down to the wear bars at around 4,000-4,300 Miles.
My experience matches with Penrod. if I had left it was gone by 5000 miles (K28) - half worn by 2500 (and I mean half) . Due to where I am going (can you say no service for 100 miles) I plan on self rescue and a possible second flat. I also studded tires for winter (two only) and have been swapping them around and finding out the issues with fasteners while doing so (no surprised if I have to do it in a bug infested hot or rainy day roadside)

People who get 8-10,000 have me scratchiness in my head. Best I got on a mildly driven 2 wheel cycle was 7000 rear.

Side car and front show barely measurable wear at this point.
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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by rougaroo » Thu May 07, 2020 3:57 pm

Windmill said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the spare and wheels.

2015-2018 bikes have 3 universal interchangeable wheels (front, side, spare) a dedicated pusher wheel (rear). The 3 universal interchangeable wheels can be used for all 3 positions (front-side-rear), but are limited use for the pusher (rear).
No confusion. By "interchangeable" I meant "all around". Since the pusher wears out at a rate probably 3x the other positions, having it not be interchangeable - especially with the spare - doesn't bode well on a long trip. From 2003-2013 the only wheel that was not interchangeable with the others was the front. Since the front tire wears out considerably less frequently than any other, it rarely presented a problem to most riders. Except for drawing a nail or the like, "interchangability" which does *not* include the pusher isn't a feature, it's a deficit.

It's good to know all that is needed to upgrade the 2014-2018 is the new hub. I'd think that would be a very attractive upgrade for owners of all those year groups. 2014 was the first year with disc brakes on the pusher, I believe: https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new

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Re: Long Distance Riding + Pusher Tire

Post by Penrod » Thu May 07, 2020 4:36 pm

On the cT the pusher has always been interchangeable woth the other wheels. It is the pre-20??Gear-ups and Patrols that had a different pusher wheel with a bigger hub and shorter spokes.
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