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Re: 2WD questions

Post by windmill » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:37 pm

RC20 wrote:
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These are basically just as good for around half the price.
Sometimes known as you get what you pay for.
I've also used grip studs, and aerostitch, and haven't experienced any meaningful difference with my brisk riding style. The only stand out in longevity has been when I drilled a tire and had standard studs shot in.

YMMV, but that's my experience.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by TorontoUral » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:06 pm

Manscout wrote:
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I was up to 50mph on the Highway during our last snow, I kept it in 3rd though. No issues there.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by stagewex » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:12 am

I only ride in the snow for fun so any highway is not fun for me whether 20 degrees or 80 degrees. Safety factor is not whether my rig can do 35 or 50 mph rather it’s the other idiots on the road not knowing how to drive their cars and s SUV’s in even the lightest snow.
So your original question about 35mph sustained, yeah that’s fine. As long as you are aware that once you encounter a dry patch of road the rig will react much, much differently. Similar to sand suddenly turning into a patch of hard dirt which I’m more accustomed to with woods riding.

I don’t shift into 2WD while riding at speed. Can I, probably buy feel not good mechanically and doing so physically while riding in snow... what’s the hurry. 2007 like mine or 2020, these things ain’t bulletproof.
On my 2019 Jeep I don’t Shift 2 to 4WD while driving either but that’s just an old habit from the olden days. Of course electronically I can but..,
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by RC20 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:11 pm

Well I had to laugh at the Idiots.

I had not noticed they were any smarter on a dry road, higher speeds, thing happen faster and ???????????????
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by TorontoUral » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:31 pm

stagewex wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:12 am
I only ride in the snow for fun so any highway is not fun for me whether 20 degrees or 80 degrees. Safety factor is not whether my rig can do 35 or 50 mph rather it’s the other idiots on the road not knowing how to drive their cars and s SUV’s in even the lightest snow.
So your original question about 35mph sustained, yeah that’s fine. As long as you are aware that once you encounter a dry patch of road the rig will react much, much differently. Similar to sand suddenly turning into a patch of hard dirt which I’m more accustomed to with woods riding.

I don’t shift into 2WD while riding at speed. Can I, probably buy feel not good mechanically and doing so physically while riding in snow... what’s the hurry. 2007 like mine or 2020, these things ain’t bulletproof.
On my 2019 Jeep I don’t Shift 2 to 4WD while driving either but that’s just an old habit from the olden days. Of course electronically I can but..,

Thx, I was just curious about if i can drive in 2nd or 3rd and shift on the fly between 1WD and 2WD if I see a dry patch coming - I’m only doing short commutes/errands on city streets for the most part. No highway driving at this point.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by ReCycled » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:33 pm

stagewex wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:12 am
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I don’t shift into 2WD while riding at speed. Can I, probably buy feel not good mechanically and doing so physically while riding in snow....
On my 2019 Jeep I don’t Shift 2 to 4WD while driving either but that’s just an old habit from the olden days. Of course electronically I can but..,


I'm going to differ with you here, Mike.

I put in a lot of miles off road with a 1wd rig. Once I realized off road was the primary use of my bike, I converted to 2wd. I questioned that decision for a year as the stock lever was not convenient and even detrimental to the riding experience at times.

The Raceway shifter changed all that. Now I shift in and out of 2wd frequently, always while in motion, sometimes at considerable speed and often with my left hand as i butter the throttle.

Being able to shift on the fly is a game changer.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by Lofty » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:01 pm

ReCycled wrote:
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I put in a lot of miles off road with a 1wd rig.
Once I realized off road was the primary use of my bike, I converted to 2wd.

The Raceway shifter changed all that. Now I shift in and out of 2wd frequently, always while in motion, sometimes at considerable speed and often with my left hand as i butter the throttle.

Being able to shift on the fly is a game changer.
David,
If you DIYd the Raceway shifter installation, what's your opinion of the job? Said differently, how good are (or aren't) Raceway's instructions, and the kit design itself? I understand that a bit of fiddling may be necessary for fit, but I'm curious to know to what extent.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by ReCycled » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:27 pm

It is a bit lacking on instructions but that can be largely explained as the dual shifter can be set up either way.

My preference is the taller and easier to access shifter for 2wd and the one basically under the tank for reverse. Someone else's priorities may be different.

Frankly I didn't feel the dual shifter was neccessary as I have always been content to heel shift reverse. But I didn't want to purchase the single shifter and then have to source additional hardware to adapt it for 2wd.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by stagewex » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:29 pm

I don't have that shifter David, just the reverse/neutral type so moving the 1WD to 2WD lever leaning back with my hand (the one that I like on the throttle & front brake) or with my left foot has never been a physical option for me, never got the hang of it and it never was a priority to quickly shift like that. I prefer keeping my hands on the bars and feet on the pegs when in motion. If I've been in 2WD more than 30 times in 13 years I'd be surprised. It's not something I do often anyway. Use it when I get stuck or it's 1WD all the way with an occasional snow day.

That's why I said "perhaps I can but I don't". I know physically it ain't gonna work for me and my 2 left feet.
And shifting back & forth 1 to 2 and 1 to 2 and back again I don't have the confidence in the mechanicals where I really want to find out so no need.

Gearbox after all these years has been as steady & reliable as any motorcycle I've ever owned.
The clutch on the other hand has just given up the ghost after our last foray into the Pines last month. But that has nothing to do with 1 or 2 shifting as in this thread. It was "just it's time" I guess at 26,000Km's
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by Pterodactyl » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:08 pm

Could someone who has the Raceway 2WD shifter installed on a newer model (14 or newer) post some pictures, please? I am installing one on my 2018 and I am struggling with installing the pivot that replaces the original equipment 2WD lever. I have the new tank levers installed and the reverse hooked up and functioning well. However, I cannot see how the pivot for the 2WD can work without some cutting, so a picture or two of that area will be helpful.
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by mr. cob » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:33 pm

Howdy All,

This question comes up so often that years ago I wrote this tutorial.

How to shift into two wheel drive while moving………

Use this information AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Long before I bought the after market two wheel drive shifter from Jim at Raceway, I had extended the stock two wheel drive shifter so that it was easy to reach and use while the rig was moving.

If you look closely at the final drive you will see that even when the rig is in ONE wheel drive the drive shaft going over to the hack wheel turns when the rig is in motion. Inside the final drive there is a "dog clutch" which when moved to the left slides a toothed collar that engages a toothed gear, when these two parts are locked into engagement the rig is in two wheel drive.

Remember if the following is not done properly you WILL be spending a lot of money replacing parts and depending on where its done and at what speed its done you could get injured or killed. Now that the disclaimers are out of the way this is how its done.

When shifting in and out of two wheel drive while the rig is moving DO NOT FORCE THE SHIFT.

To shift into or out of two wheel drive while the rig is in motion, back off the throttle, apply LIGHT pressure to the two wheel drive shifter, when the dog clutch aligns it will slip into engagement or out of engagement as the case may be.

Because the pusher wheel and the hack wheel may be turning at slightly different speeds, the shift will be made easier if you SLIGHTLY wiggle the handle bars from side to side. Wiggling the handle bars will allow the two tires to come to a common speed where there will be NO STRAIN on the moving parts of the dog clutch this will allow a smooth, easy, quiet and no parts breakage shift.

Now this is the part that sends shivers up the spines of those who first hear or read this, there is NO NEED TO USE THE CLUTCH. Think about this for a moment, the clutch in no way disconnects power to the sidecar wheel, the shaft is spinning when ever the rig is in motion, using the clutch does nothing as regards the sidecar drive shaft It is the rotation of the hack drive shaft that allows the shift to made while moving.

MANY times I have come across people who are stopped beating on the two wheel drive shifter with a rock or a hammer trying to get the two wheel drive engaged or disengaged. There is absolutely no need to do this. The reason the final drive can't be shifted into or out of two wheel drive is because the dog clutch is either not aligned or it is engaged in two wheel drive and the parts have strain on them preventing the shift to be made.

If your rig is at a stand still, transmission in neutral and you want to shift it into or out of two wheel drive all you have to do is roll the rig forward or backward as your rolling the rig have the handle bars turned one way or the other and apply slight pressure on the two wheel drive shifter, as the rig moves in the arc the pusher and the hack wheel will rotate at different speeds, when the different speeds allow the dog clutch to align the shifter will easily move, NO NEED TO BEAT ON IT.

For the MANY years I have been driving my Ural’s, I have shifted into and out of two wheel drive at speeds up to 60 MPH with out using the clutch and I have NEVER had a problem with the final drive or any other part of the drive train while doing so.

The trick is to let off the throttle so that your not applying power to the drive train, wiggle the handle bars to align the dog clutch and using LIGHT pressure on the shifter, when this is done right you'll be able to maintain your momentum and get through or over stuff that you wouldn't other wise be able to conquer, shift into two wheel drive before your stuck, shift out as soon as your through the nasty stuff, that way you can keep moving at the optimal speed for the conditions your riding in.

Now that I have explained how to do this, give it a try and you'll be amazed at how easily, quietly and none harmfully this can be done. If you blow your final drive or kill yourself, don't blame me.

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Re: 2WD questions

Post by atlasheating » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:00 am

Last winter it snowed a couple of inches. Good, I am going to try out my 2wd Patrol in the snow. Regular tires no studs. It was OK but I did not have superior traction. In fact I was reluctant to take it down the hill for fear of getting stuck. I took note of the steering while in 2wd. It plows ahead no matter which way to turn the handlebars, unless you pull the clutch.
The next day(or week) it snowed some more and we had about 8" in the street. I cleared the driveway and got onto the street. I had zero traction. stuck. It would not go anywhere in that deep snow. I got it back onto the driveway and put it away. 2wd does not work in deeper snow.

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Re: 2WD questions

Post by mr. cob » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:58 pm

atlasheating wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:00 am
Last winter it snowed a couple of inches. Good, I am going to try out my 2wd Patrol in the snow. Regular tires no studs. It was OK but I did not have superior traction. In fact I was reluctant to take it down the hill for fear of getting stuck. I took note of the steering while in 2wd. It plows ahead no matter which way to turn the handlebars, unless you pull the clutch.
The next day(or week) it snowed some more and we had about 8" in the street. I cleared the driveway and got onto the street. I had zero traction. stuck. It would not go anywhere in that deep snow. I got it back onto the driveway and put it away. 2wd does not work in deeper snow.
Howdy atlasheating,

I don't know about two wheel drive being worthless in deep snow, I must be doing something wrong for the last 15+ years.



As you can see in this video I don't have a problem steering while in two wheel drive in the deep snow, you have use the throttle and shift your body weight to get the rig to respond, no studs, no chains in this video.

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Re: 2WD questions

Post by :FI:Igor » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:00 pm

Mr Cob, I concur, probably a lot of fun! Chain saw standard load out for a Ural?....I can't talk, had one on my Ural for Hurricane Michael...I suspect snow a lot more fun!
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Re: 2WD questions

Post by mr. cob » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:11 pm

:FI:Igor wrote:
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Mr Cob, I concur, probably a lot of fun! Chain saw standard load out for a Ural?....I can't talk, had one on my Ural for Hurricane Michael...I suspect snow a lot more fun!
Howdy FI:Igor,

The "little" chain saw in the above video belonged to my friend Chris, I had not yet fitted the real chain saw holder to the rig, here is a photo of the rig in full rally mode with the chain saw and my co-pilot.

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