$7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

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$7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Rallyguy » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Same mileage, 3,000 km ea.

2015 is $5k more expensive

Is 2015 EFI worth it?

Want to use as daily driver, 15k km
a year

Including winter snow driving

Thoughts?

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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by chaos2 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:26 pm

This will probably split between folks who have FI rigs and those with carbs. I'd venture that if you like to tinker with carbs and don't mind adjusting drum brakes it might be worth saving the 5k. Neither one is going to be gas and go, both have pluses and minuses.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by windmill » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:50 pm

I have one of each, newer is better for a daily rider. To date, my 2018 M70 has been gas and go other than scheduled maintenance.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Happytrails » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:27 pm

Both bikes in the same condition the 2012 sounds like a nice price. But there have been a number of updates in recent years. Would say if you like to tinker and work on your bike then the 2012 might be a good fit. If it was me I'd get the newest possible and I dont mind tinkerin either. :thumbsup:
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by stagewex » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:05 am

I would say that if you go thru even just today's or even yesterdays posts (go to the drop-down menu and choose "new posts") you'll find or at least from my perspective, there will be tinker'in going on whether newer or older. Of course this whole site is based on tech help and experience fix's and tinkering so...
EFI is just a slap-on to the same primitive motor. But there are and were other upgrades over the years from 2014 till now. Some stuff works, others stuff has and always seems to have to be tinkered with, some ridiculous stuff that shouldn't have to be.
Two (2) identical bikes in the same condition but a big difference with price... you might as well go with the color you like best and maybe that'll be the less expensive one? Your question without pictures or real details doesn't raise any red flags to me.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by roger99a » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:27 pm

I've owned a 2012 and a 2014 and the 2012 was the best of many Urals I have owned. Of course the EFI bike was 5 mph faster in every gear, got better gas mileage and could actually stop when needed, but the carbed bike was the best version of the older models. If you're looking to ride a lot of highway get the newer one.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by eastbloc » Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:24 am

That's an easy one -- at the price, the 2012 wins hands down.

The 2012 is already fully depreciated, you can ride it for a few years and sell it without getting taken to the cleaners. $12k is on the high side for a 2015 and you can expect it to depreciate by $2k/year from there for the next three years easy.

Brake-wise, the single leading shoe drums in the rear and sidecar are easy to adjust, rarely need maintenance and can lock up the tires just fine. They're also much simpler and the shoes last longer, so you're not losing anything in the braking department on the 2012. The front brakes are identical and that's where most of your stopping power comes from anyway.

The 2015 will come with lovely defective powdercoat from the factory. It will come off in sheets, especially once you expose it to salt and inclement weather, and it will make you mad you spent an extra $5k for the privilege of watching your pretty new(ish) bike rust into oblivion.

I don't think the EFI is worth it unless you're regularly scaling mountains and changing altitude where you'd need to be adjusting jets on the carb.

If you're looking to ride a lot of highway don't get a Ural, look at other sidecar outfits. Here's a great thread to follow:

https://advrider.com/index.php?threads/ ... 6/page-602
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by VWK75S » Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:24 am

For 12K I'd buy two carb rigs :D
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:04 am

The question begs more questions. Where will you be driving it and what kind of traffic? Disc brakes may become the key factor or drop to the bottom depending on the answer.

I think by 2012 all the engine issues were for the most part worked out. Others can talk in more detail to that.

How long do you plan to keep this rig? The future of electronic parts unique to Urals would be my concern if I were looking to keep a bike for many years. Already, those with older UJMs are finding parts for electronics to be impossible to find.

If I were in your shoes, I'd buy the cheaper carbureted model. If the carbs eventually die, other carbs can be retrofitted. My CVK equipped 650 is the best starting bike I own out of 10 bikes, including an 2001 FI Harley. I think the CVK carb is an excellent instrument. I don't mind drum brakes because if set up properly, they will do the job. They also do not deteriorate from moisture like hydraulic brakes that are not cared for can. And believe me, I have a full appreciation for modern disc brakes. For my riding area, I don't see an advantage for me. But if you ride in an urban area, with bumper to bumper traffic and lots of stop and go and also plan on having a monkey, the added stopping power of discs is a good idea.

You could leverage the asking price for the earlier model to negotiate a better price on the newer model. My argument would be that there is not $5K worth of difference between them. When the seller argues what it cost new, I'd argue that Urals are not flying off the shelf and next year, the price will be lower on his rig. A bird in the hand...
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by rivers » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:04 pm

If you haven't already decided. If conditions are equal I'm throwing chip in 012 hat. $7k is a fair for a good 012. Would I pay $5k more for an equal 015? Unless it came with a warranty...Nope.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by INSUBORDINATOR » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:07 pm

YOU will be dependent on a dealer if trouble is encountered with EFI. You can deal with carbs yourself. I'm living with a low mile 2002, & no where near a dealer. But NOT used daily, as I no longer enjoy cold & wet, or painfully long rides - so only used for joy therapy. It has always gotten me home, with no awful repairs, only enjoyable challenges.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Ragmanx1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:52 pm

I can only address your question from personal experience.

I have a 2012 Patrol with 23000kms.
I bought it used with 7200kms 3 1/2 years ago. Paid $7100

I have had ZERO major problems and know I can get at least my purchase price back, if I so desired.
Can't beat that.

For me, F/I, disc brakes, and a few do-dads are nice, but the Ural's bones are still the same.
When Urals are good they are very good, when bad they can be a POS.

I love my Ural, but sometimes they can be a crap shot.

If the 2012 has had pride of ownership, I would go with it.

Good luck with your choice!
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Happytrails » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 pm

Riding it daily thru the winter and salted roads could prove challenging to avoid corrosion.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by Daisy Cutter » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:28 pm

I’d suggest rather than choosing between carbs or efi, going and checking out each bike individually and picking the one that runs better and you like more. Like others have said Urals are a crap shoot and the 15 may be a dud whereas the 12 could be a jewel or vice versa.
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Re: $7k 2012 vs $12k 2015

Post by mtrdrms » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:25 pm

I don't know how common these results are but if you care about fuel mileage, my 2013 gets high 20's and the guy I ride with has a 2018 which gets 40. YMMV
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