Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

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Should I get a brand new Ural, or will it be a waste of money, as it will break fairly soon?

Poll ended at Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:40 pm

Yes, get one, you likely won't be disappointed.
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72%
No, it will just be an aggravation you don't need.
15
28%
 
Total votes: 54

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by stagewex » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:19 am

You should really do more research rather than let a poll/vote guide your decision. I don't know anyone that has a 2017 so that point is moot. Go deep into these postings and check out the year-by-year changes and known defects. Many bikes go way beyond 50K so I'm not sure where you are getting your average from? Some have problems right out of the dealership. Like a Ford or Chevy. My Jeep has been recalled 3 times.
Opposed to the bike... how handy are you with a motorcycle and motorcycle maintenance? You'll need to be a proactive owner no matter what year unless you live by a dealer that "gets it".
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1991 Honda XR250L (Kick Start Only) *NOT running amok, out for Bottom & Top-End Rebuild.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by Msblu79 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:31 am

I guess mine must be on it's last legs with 72,000km's on it. :lol: My 2010 starts and runs as well as any Ural can and fully expect to see another 70,000 klicks. With proper upkeep and riding it within it's limits it can be a very reliable machine. :)
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by chaos2 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:07 am

Getting back to the OP's survey question, there have been members here with perfectly fine new Urals and they were highly disappointed with them. Then there were ones with major problems and the owners fixed them and are happy with the bike now. I would say if you are seriously stretching you budget, or you are not interested in doing simple maintenance and repairs and are far from a dealer, or it will be you only means of transportation, a Ural may not be a good choice.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by tx2sturgis » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:01 am

I fixed your graph....
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(Depending on how you interpret the graph, I see the blue failure vector 'increasing' at both ends. Others might say it is 'decreasing' with time at the low end)

But, ironically, you just demonstrated what Urals are all about. They are mostly hand-made and human-assembled and sometimes have a few flaws.

Humans do occasionally create something less than perfect...we all know that....its up to the new owner to work through all the quirks and flaws and make it his or her own. I bought my Ural Patrol new in December of 2012 and it had a couple of minor issues, but now it is well-sorted and its the most fun, and most practical, weird-a$$ motorcycle I have ever owned.

Like the Harley crowd says:

If we have to explain, you won't understand.

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by siberman1 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:33 pm

Buy the 2017. It goes with your name -- inflated.

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by Aufgeblassen » Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:14 pm

siberman1 wrote:Buy the 2017. It goes with your name -- inflated.

YMMV

They're inflated...... in price?

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by sport rider » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:08 pm

I voted yes just because I'd rather spend your money than mine. :D

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by stagewex » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:34 pm

Msblu79 wrote:I guess mine must be on it's last legs with 72,000km's on it. :lol: My 2010 starts and runs as well as any Ural can and fully expect to see another 70,000 klicks. With proper upkeep and riding it within it's limits it can be a very reliable machine. :)
Exactly! Great advice for potential as well as current owners.
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Current Herd all running amok:
2019 Honda CRF450L (Elec Start)
2008 Vespa 150S (Elec & Kick Start)
2007 Ural Patrol (2WD, Elec & Kick Start)
2006 Honda "Big Ruckus" PS250 (Elec Start)
1991 Honda XR250L (Kick Start Only) *NOT running amok, out for Bottom & Top-End Rebuild.
1986 Yamaha BW200ES (Elec & Kick Start)

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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by sysmgr2 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:24 pm

Although I generally like to buy most bikes used, and let the original owner take the depreciation hit, I'd consider a new '17. I spoke to Ski at Triquest, and he said that in addition to the changes listed on the website, there are engineering/manufacturing changes that promise increased reliability. He cited as an example a transmission part that was previously assembled, welded, then finished- but now is machined from a single piece of steel... it will be interesting to learn about the other changes. He says he won't have any new models until the end of the month.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by Eric N » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:00 am

I'm still not sure I get all the reliability concerns. Their reliability is well known considering they've been building bikes for 75 years. Just remember:

95% of all Urals ever built are still on the road.

The other 5% actually made it to their destinations.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by bgenest » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:41 am

"95% of all Urals ever built are still on the road.

The other 5% actually made it to their destinations."

Way to funny! :lol:
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by MartyL » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:32 am

Life's too short. If you want one, buy one. Be happy.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by Snakeoil » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:58 pm

I just posted a rant about Ural quality based upon a new member getting an engine knock on a brand new machine.

Since you are an engineer and understand the life cycle of a product, you should also be aware that once a product design is mature, that curve becomes a lot flatter on the ends. Ural has been building pretty much the same exact engine for many years. Yes, minor variations have been introduced (crank is a good example). But the general engine layout, bearings, etc., should be well understood and yet we still see major engine failures on new machines more than should be expected. And I don't think that the low volume should contribute to the poor quality. On the other hand, the low volume should present the opportunity to fine tune the process to pretty much produce near zero defects.

Yes, sourced items like tires, plugs, ignition systems, brakes and other items that are mass produced will have higher defect rates. But major components, under the control of Ural like ENGINES should be rock solid reliable.

I'd walk before I bought a new Ural. Unfortunately, the downside of my attitude is it really does nothing to help the dealer and parts network. Not that dealers make big money off new rig sales. I'm sure that they do not if they are anything like the rest of the motorcycle business. Terry Crawford stopped selling new rigs. So service, parts, and used rigs is probably the primary source of income. At least with a used rig, you should feel confident that the gremlins that seem to attach themselves to new rigs have died or lost their grip by the time a rig has 10,000 km or so on it.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by prahaben » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:10 pm

I voted yes, but I think honestly the factory/Ural NA need to set proper expectations with speed on these machines. 70mph cruising speed on slinger"splash" lubrication and a pressed together crank is not realistic. Average cruising 55mph with short bursts of 65mph is more realistic.
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Re: Poll: Should I Get A Brand New ( 2017) Ural?

Post by Pootierider » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:30 pm

I say find a decent used one and live with it for a while. The experience of riding a ural is so different than anything else. It's more of a vintage bike than a modern machine, and the side car makes riding it unlike riding any motorcycle. Much as I like mine, I can't see spending $15-20k for a new one, especially since you run the risk of getting a lemon. Spend less than half that on a used one and I think you'll be fine....

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