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2006 Retro off road?

Post by SlingerNZ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:12 am

I have just purchased a 2006 Retro, its only 1wd but i could only find 2x second hand ones for sale here in NZ both of which were 1wd, so i picked the one that seemed the best condition
I would like to know, has anyone used a retro offroad?
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by GregoryUSSR » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:26 am

We have very few Ural with 2WD. Almost all have a 1WD drive. And they are constantly drive offroad. If it's dry, then everything is fine. If wet and liquid dirt, then patency is not very good. Put a cross-country tire with spikes on the backside. This will improve cross-country ability.
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by SlingerNZ » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:30 am

Ok thanks I will change tyres to more offroad style and have a go
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by ReCycled » Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:31 am

1wd can do very off-road but a Retro won't. Ground clearance is the issue, not traction.

I've ridden in a group which included a Retro at it was the only bike damaged. The footpegs are in a much more vulnerable location than other models. So unpaved roads will be fine but rough terrain will cause issues.
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by GregoryUSSR » Mon Oct 02, 2023 9:47 am

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Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:31 am
1wd can do very off-road but a Retro won't. Ground clearance is the issue, not traction.

I've ridden in a group which included a Retro at it was the only bike damaged. The footpegs are in a much more vulnerable location than other models. So unpaved roads will be fine but rough terrain will cause issues.
The usual Ural 1WD has wheels with a diameter of 19". What is the diameter of the wheels in the Urals Retro?
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by ReCycled » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:50 pm

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Retro has 18", losing a bit of clearance there too
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by RC20 » Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:43 pm

I ran an original style Bronco off road a fair amount and the only thing the 4wd did was get me into deeper trouble.

I will disagree on dry being fine, if you get in the wrong type ruts it can get stuck.

That said, if my back was good I would take my 1wd off road and have done a bit on packed dirt roads (where I cam close to getting into a rut!)

Regardless, if I was doing it I would have a hand winch (come a long or the like) and the same would be true of 2WD. On the Bronco the winch got me out of serious trouble twice. Lesson learned, the third time it no longer worked, so if you go electric test it before you go off road. I messed up big time and got hung up on a bank ahead of tide coming in. I got rescued by a kind samariton who was atop the bank and had a working winch. I got water in the engine, rear end (maybe the transfer case and trany, forget on that part).

Gearing is really too fast in first, my take on the design of 2WD is more traction on poor roads rather than rock climbing or in and out of ruts. I suspect a lot of clutch wear in slow conditions.

Now if you go in informed, nothing wrong with going off road. Just know there can be damage and tools to get unstuck and have fun if that is what you want.
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by stagewex » Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:55 pm

1WD does fine off-road with a good pilot. But a Retro would not be my first choice. Low and handles like a slot-car on the street.
Is it a "beater" and you don't care? I guess your version of what off-road is will determine. I don't own a Retro but I'm a Retro fan.
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Post by GregoryUSSR » Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:23 am

A stationary hand winch can be installed in the Urals. It is installed in the place marked with an arrow. Off-road driving with her is much more confident.

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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by SlingerNZ » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:13 am

stagewex wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:55 pm
1WD does fine off-road with a good pilot. But a Retro would not be my first choice. Low and handles like a slot-car on the street.
Is it a "beater" and you don't care? I guess your version of what off-road is will determine. I don't own a Retro but I'm a Retro fan.
Congrats on buying her. Ride Safe. Pix?
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by Bigbikerrick » Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:48 pm

Awesome photo , Gregory! Man, you guys are some serious riders, taking on that amount of snow with 1 WD!
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by henrik » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:35 am

The tires are what matter. I have a 2wd and go on a lot on gravel and snow but almost never engage the 2wd. Ground clearance is what you need to keep in mind with the retro (and with any other vehicle driven off road).
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by bratmanxj » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:15 am

henrik wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:35 am
The tires are what matter. I have a 2wd and go on a lot on gravel and snow but almost never engage the 2wd. Ground clearance is what you need to keep in mind with the retro (and with any other vehicle driven off road).
Agreed that its all about the tires.... I have a 1wd '07 Tourist and run K28s during the summer as street tires but have a set up 307s mounted up on spare rims that I'll throw on and go trail riding with my dual sport buddies. With the 307 knobbies I can mostly keep up with KLRs that are on 60/40 street bias dual sport tires in the "service roads" riding we have around the greater Chicagoland area.
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by Syonyk » Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:03 pm

RC20 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:43 pm
Gearing is really too fast in first, my take on the design of 2WD is more traction on poor roads rather than rock climbing or in and out of ruts. I suspect a lot of clutch wear in slow conditions.
This is my conclusion too, having spent a while trying to make my '05 be a Jeep. The 2WD is great in slick conditions on the road, but the bike isn't a hard core off road rig, and you'll just break things if you insist on trying. If that's the goal, have at it - plenty of people do it, and seem to enjoy it, but you'll pay in maintenance costs/time.

I tell people that around the time a Jeep guy wants to drop to 4-Lo, it's time to get out and go ride in the Jeep. You can do it, if you insist, but you either are going to be slipping the (dry) clutch enough to wear it hard, or you're going to have to hit things fast enough that you run a serious risk of damaging something down low (and, in the context here, the Retro is even closer to the road). I wouldn't be personally inclined to take a Retro, 1WD or 2WD, on something much worse than a rough gravel road, but I don't particularly enjoy fixing bash damage on things either.
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The tires are what matter. I have a 2wd and go on a lot on gravel and snow but almost never engage the 2wd. Ground clearance is what you need to keep in mind with the retro (and with any other vehicle driven off road).
Yeah, my use of 2WD is a lot less than I'd assumed. I use it to get out of my driveway in the snow (uphill, and I turn onto an uphill part so I can't easily get a run at it), and... snownuts in parking lots. That's about it. And I don't normally need 2WD to get out, it's just easier to toggle it on first than have to start from a stop in the slick on one of the steep segments.
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Re: 2006 Retro off road?

Post by GregoryUSSR » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:36 am

Syonyk wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:03 pm


This is my conclusion too, having spent a while trying to make my '05 be a Jeep. The 2WD is great in slick conditions on the road, but the bike isn't a hard core off road rig, and you'll just break things if you insist on trying. If that's the goal, have at it - plenty of people do it, and seem to enjoy it, but you'll pay in maintenance costs/time.

I tell people that around the time a Jeep guy wants to drop to 4-Lo, it's time to get out and go ride in the Jeep. You can do it, if you insist, but you either are going to be slipping the (dry) clutch enough to wear it hard, or you're going to have to hit things fast enough that you run a serious risk of damaging something down low (and, in the context here, the Retro is even closer to the road). I wouldn't be personally inclined to take a Retro, 1WD or 2WD, on something much worse than a rough gravel road, but I don't particularly enjoy fixing bash damage on things either.
I completely agree with you. That's not what Retro is for. An ordinary Gear-Up or Tourist an off-road is better.
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