Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

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Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by upstate ny » Wed May 05, 2021 5:16 pm

My 2012, as you put KM's on the engine, you seemed to hit bumps in power, something like 1,000/5,000/20,000 kms, it just seemed to get smoother and 'more powerful' as time went by. (I know powerful is a relative term with 800 lbs of beast.)

On my 2021, does the new engine have similar jumps? At 1600 miles, it cruises so much better than the 2012 could dream of. Did an interstate stretch, 67 felt like 52 did on the old bike. Old top speed of 60 with no wind, this one at least 75. So improvements down the road would just be real sweet. 700 lbs of beast really helps here.

Tranny- On my 12, once broke it I could upshift quietly, just take my time, snick up to false neutral, slightish pause, then another touch into higher gear. Slow and smooth. The 21, I can sometimes get that 3rd to 4th, but the others I have to do the stomp. Does the tranny smooth out also?

When people would talk about how hard Urals were to shift, I had the opposite. Somebody posted the above shifting technique back in '13 when bike was virgin, and I just followed it, seemed it was be easier on the gears. It'll never be a Japanese bike, nor should it.

Jon at Heindl was kinda surprised when I traded in the '12, that it had 59,000kms and it never had the gearbox issue of jumping out of 3rd. No idea if that's related, or if I just had a Wednesday bike. My donut almost lasted until end, and it was original battery. No trickle charger, living out in a pole barn in the land of -30f at times. Nice. Once Jon gets her cleaned up/serviced/cared for by a real mechanic, she'll be up for adoption, to a good garage, I hope.
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Re: Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by RC20 » Wed May 05, 2021 5:43 pm

I can't say I noticed any changes in engine go pup in the 5000 miles I have on my 2019.

The gear box got better with a different oil, maybe a bit worse on neutral as time has gone by. I am ok with it, the R80GSE was no great shakes shifting wise either.

It sounds like you got a good 2012 and gear box.
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Re: Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by windmill » Wed May 05, 2021 11:59 pm

The only change I've noticed after upgrading my M70 to full 2020 specs is that as it breaks in, the mechanical sounds become more pronounced. The transmission, while still basically the same design as your 2012, is in truth 100% new. New castings, new gears, lots of small refinements, tighter tolerances. Its going to feel different, and probably call for some adjustment in your techniques.
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Re: Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by upstate ny » Thu May 06, 2021 7:19 am

windmill wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 11:59 pm
The only change I've noticed after upgrading my M70 to full 2020 specs is that as it breaks in, the mechanical sounds become more pronounced. The transmission, while still basically the same design as your 2012, is in truth 100% new. New castings, new gears, lots of small refinements, tighter tolerances. Its going to feel different, and probably call for some adjustment in your techniques.
Engine at this point is really quiet and smooth below 65 ish, very nice.

As far as modifying shift techniques, is it pretty much just give it a hefty upshift, all at once?

And yes, I do think I had a good 2012. The best advice I got was to ride it like you stole it, enjoy, and listen to her; she'll let you know when things are ready to go south.
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Re: Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by windmill » Thu May 06, 2021 9:26 am

upstate ny wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 7:19 am
windmill wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 11:59 pm
The only change I've noticed after upgrading my M70 to full 2020 specs is that as it breaks in, the mechanical sounds become more pronounced. The transmission, while still basically the same design as your 2012, is in truth 100% new. New castings, new gears, lots of small refinements, tighter tolerances. Its going to feel different, and probably call for some adjustment in your techniques.
Engine at this point is really quiet and smooth below 65 ish, very nice.

As far as modifying shift techniques, is it pretty much just give it a hefty upshift, all at once?

And yes, I do think I had a good 2012. The best advice I got was to ride it like you stole it, enjoy, and listen to her; she'll let you know when things are ready to go south.
I find the best way is to not over think shifting, just give it a quick, authoritative "stomp".

"stomp" as in a firm step, not a crushing blow.
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Re: Engine break in improvements w/ km's?

Post by RC20 » Thu May 06, 2021 11:58 am

I never bought the drive it like you stole it.

But I never hesitated to go full out if it was needed.

We got a nice compliment on the Passat front brakes when replaced (a bit messy to change pucks and not sure on the rotor and crawling around on ground is no longer fun!). The rotor is sill good, you guys sure are easy on the brakes.

Granted with a Ural you have to flog it fairly hard just to get it to go, that is a lot of weight for a 750 cc low hp engine.

Back when riding the R80GSE I could not figure out why it had 5 speeds until I loaded it up. Then I found out why and I had not been using the full RPM range (did not need it as it just got up and went in any gear). Have to love the Boxer characteristics
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Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
Honda 90
2 x CB750K (one a true Japan Model flown to Hawaii by a P3 Orion Sub Patrol Aircraft!)
1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

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1 x 2019 cT Terracotta

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