Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by wooden nickel » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:26 pm

Some of the early 14s had a poor seal at the plastic/metal interface for the ECUs. I applied RTV over the seam.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Gunfighter » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:50 pm

The throttle bodies do not actually "contain" the ECU's. The ECU's are the black, flat, plastic thingies that are attached to the throttle bodies. Each ECU has a large electrical connector plugged onto it. It appears that the ECU's are held to the throttle body by plastic clips. THEY ARE NOT. They are permanently attached, and attempting to separate them will destroy them, as I understand it.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by eastbloc » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:47 am

I have no regrets about purchasing my '14 -- slightly used and highly depreciated.

For what the upgrade would get you versus the cost, I'd say it's not worth it if you already have a good running '06. Some of the main new features have trade-offs as well as benefits. Fuel injection doesn't require as much fiddling but carries complexity (pressurized fuel system, difficulty of tuning, possibility of unresolvable failure on the road). While disc brakes in the rear may offer better modulation and less fade, I have no difficulty locking up the rear brakes on my 650 so the discs don't actually get you any more stopping power and -- yes -- they are more complex and require more maintenance than the drums.

The powdercoat on my '14 is appalling. I put some masking tape on for a project and when I peeled it off, the powdercoat came with it. Not an issue with post-2015, but the paint on my '00 is looking way better than the powdercoat on the '14. I'd be pi$$ed if I shelled out $20k for it and had that happen.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by stagewex » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:23 am

I'd say something is wrong with your '06 if it's running like that. At least something you can probably take care of yourself. Such a simple machine.

Spend more time reading all the posts on '14 and newer rigs, both problems and problems solved. I do like the new Urals but really, nothing offered is pulling at my wallet as in "wow, gotta have that".

These things whether you slap EFI on a primitive engine, jury-rig discs all around or offer some pretty paint options are still not going to be turn-the-key-and-go motorcycles. YOU still have to make it that way.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Donbmw » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:50 pm

After trying to own multiple carb bikes at one time I wanted fuel injection for my next bike. Not knowing Urals at the time I bought new. If to buy another would like used now.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:56 pm

Gunfighter wrote:The throttle bodies do not actually "contain" the ECU's. The ECU's are the black, flat, plastic thingies that are attached to the throttle bodies.
Semantics! You know what I mean! LOL :lol:

Each ECU has a large electrical connector plugged onto it. It appears that the ECU's are held to the throttle body by plastic clips. THEY ARE NOT. They are permanently attached, and attempting to separate them will destroy them, as I understand it.
Resin filled I think, the clips are merely an aid to assembly.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by BigJames » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:37 pm

I couldn't decide either, so kept both...we'll see which one I keep and which one is trade in bait...
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Urtigeral » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:34 pm

My 2017 easily spins to 70, I cruise at 60-65 though as some minor vibes creep up closer to 70. 65 is butter smooth and it can pull me up any hill solo at that speed too...the new engines must be much better than the old.

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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by sagerat » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:52 pm

I have an ‘04 Tourist with ~45,000 kms on the clock. Mine runs up to 55-65 mph no problem...as long as it’s flat ground and no headwind. I’ve thought about a later model EFI and disc brakes, but here’s what holds me back:

My Ural runs fine. (When was your air filter last serviced?)

Between pusher, hack, and spare I have three wheels I can interchange at two places, easily.

Spare on new Urals is more like a donut spare on a car and requires major futzing compared to my drum brake wheels.

Do I want to play Russian roulette again with the metallurgy on various parts (rocker arms, cranks, internal bearings, etc.,) when mine has been solid. Yes, I’ve cursed myself...

I’d try to debug your ‘06 first, then decide.

Have I mentioned the cost of a new Ural?

The newer Urals are attractive and have better fit, finish, and components not to mention the benefits of EFI. If you really want an EFI Ural, I’d advise to go with a used 2016 or ‘17 for the savings. YMMV.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Happytrails » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:01 pm

windmill wrote:People who think new Urals are expensive obviously don"t know what the other new options cost. DMC is coming out with a new sidecar which will be $14000 in the crate. Paint and installation on ones motorcycle is several thousand dollars extra.
I recently looked at a Goldwing w/ Hannigan sidecar that was for sale. The sidecar was installed at DMC in '14 for a total cost $13000 for a fairly optioned Hannigan sidecar. Sidecar was very nice but the bike itself was pretty neglected.
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Happytrails » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:46 am

BigJames wrote:I couldn't decide either, so kept both...
This is good thinkin! :thumbsup:
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by atlasheating » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:31 pm

I pulled the trigger on a '14 Patrol this week. And I just sold my '04 Troyka.
Observations:
Transmission is way better on the '14
I was expecting the engine to pull better on the '14 and it does, but just a little bit.
The '04 is smoother especially over 45mph
The rear brakes are better but the '04 brakes weren't that bad.
I think the fuel economy will be better on the '14 but not by much.
The '14 has the factory fairing, and I just got it dialed in very nice. The '04 had a big Harley type windshield that I never liked. I tried an old fairing but I could not get the wind out of my face.

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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by Happytrails » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:25 am

atlasheating wrote:I pulled the trigger on a '14 Patrol this week. And I just sold my '04 Troyka.
Observations:
Transmission is way better on the '14
I was expecting the engine to pull better on the '14 and it does, but just a little bit.
The '04 is smoother especially over 45mph
The rear brakes are better but the '04 brakes weren't that bad.
I think the fuel economy will be better on the '14 but not by much.
The '14 has the factory fairing, and I just got it dialed in very nice. The '04 had a big Harley type windshield that I never liked. I tried an old fairing but I could not get the wind out of my face.
Congrats on the new Ural! :) Can I ask are you able to see over the windshield of the factory fairing?
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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by atlasheating » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:52 pm

Yes it is just at eye level. It is really nice, no buffeting. The full size sidecar windshield funnels air right into my face. This one came with a cut down sidecar shield, we will try it out.

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Re: Should I Upgrade from 2006 Tourist to 2014+ EFI Model?

Post by mexican » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:30 am

windmill wrote:I will say my 18 M70 is nicer and more capable than my 07 Patrol in every way, but that doesn't mean my Patrol is bad.

If your 06 is actually struggling to hit 55 mph under normal circumstances, then it probably needs some attention as rivers mentioned. On the other hand, if its that you simply haven't come to terms with what 40 hp and a sidecar means, the modest performance improvements alone of an efi rig might not be worth it to you.
Personally it was all the other improvements, 3 wheel discs, excellent aircleaner, better FD gears, electronic speedo, upgraded starter, and better overall build quality, in addition the the performance improvements that made it worthwhile to me.

70 mph isn't the "optimal cruising speed", its the maximum recommended speed with limitations.

" Rider, no passenger or payload: 65-70 mph.
 Rider and passenger, no payload: 60-65 mph.
 Rider, Passenger and payload up to max GVW 50-60 mph.
Ural recommends a maximum speed of 70 mph. - The recommended max speed is not
intended to be maintained for long periods of time. Reduce maintained max speed
accordingly as temperatures rise throughout the day and/or if you will be traveling long
distances with additional payload.
 Reduce max speed for heavy payloads and as ambient temperatures rise.
 Allow the motor to cool at fill-ups, take a break before resuming on a long trip.
 Give your Ural 20 minutes to cool for every 2 hours."

Windmill , Agree with your comments, I recently had issue on 2011 could barely hit 55. Had carbs sync now running very good.
I would say on very windy days if you have large windshield that is another limit.
And I think any Ural or even 2018 at 65/70 mph is not stable
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