Quick detach windshield mount.

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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:28 pm

From what I can see, it appears that Burt's mount is a 2 point system with a mounting point on each side of the fairing going to a bracket that attaches to the fork top caps.
Close. Burt's design employs a 6-point mounting system. It is incredibly rigid when mounted, yet doesn't foul the handlebar like the OEM bracketry AND removes/installs in seconds. It's really brilliant.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Snakeoil » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:33 pm

Six points, really? This would be 3 bike attachment points on each side. Or are you talking about total mounting points, which includes the fairing as well as the bike? I'm just talking on the bike. I would assume there are at least 4 points on the fairing.

This is how I see the mounting system based upon the photos provided here.
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I imagine the actual design is a secret at this point because Burt might want to apply for a patent. I get that. The actual design of how the fairing mechanically attaches to the fair is the key here to it being unique. But the points at which it attaches is probably not a patentable feature, just the attachment device(s) is.

If my understanding of what you mean by a 6 point mount is accurately shown in my sketch, I have a concern that over time, the wind load on the longer leg, which would be the windshield area creates a moment arm that could, over time cause the single (on each side) mounting point to wear, distort or both. How robust that mounting point is will determine if my concerns are valid or not. However, if the fairing also mounts via the fit around the headlight bezel and that provides a solid mounting point, then my concern of the loading of the other mounting points is no longer a concern.

And for what it's worth, I'm not trying to meddle in or pee on Bert's cupcake here. I applaud anyone that comes up with a unique idea to make things better. I use be part of FMEA reviews for new products. That's Failure Modes and Effects Analysis for those not familiar with the acronym. So, whenever I look at a design, my tendency is to always look for the shortcomings, potential failure points, wear items, etc..
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:11 pm

Six points, really? This would be 3 bike attachment points on each side. Or are you talking about total mounting points, which includes the fairing as well as the bike?
I believe it's 10 total: four points attach the bracket to the fairing and six points of contact to the bike. Might be six and six, but I'm 12 hours away in Illinois and can't readily check. Definitely six points of contact to the bike, though. EXTREMELY solid mounting.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Snakeoil » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:56 pm

Well, then in the words of Rosanne Rosannadanna....

NEVERMIND....
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Burt1713 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:47 pm

Snakeoil wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:33 pm
I use be part of FMEA reviews for new products. That's Failure Modes and Effects Analysis for those not familiar with the acronym. So, whenever I look at a design, my tendency is to always look for the shortcomings, potential failure points, wear items, etc..
I have also participated in FMEA reviews (26 years in QA for Hella Electronics), and that is why we are rigorously testing this system. As I stated before, one of the wear items wore too quickly so it had to be replaced with a much more substantial component. As for connection points the QD mount attaches to the windshield with four m8 bolts two original and two holes have to be drilled into the fairing. The new holes are hidden by the headlight rubber seal. The bike brackets all attach using existing hardware. There are four connection points between the bike and windshield brackets. The other two are the headlight brackets with new hardware. As for strength I have attempted to dislodge the windshield from the bike by pushing and pulling at different angles. I have even pulled the bike by the windshield with the transmission in gear and the parking brake set, if only for about a foot (I’m not that strong).
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:14 am

Wear implies relative movement between the two parts, Bert. You might consider a polymer for the two mating surfaces or if not possible, just one. They tend to absorb shock to some extent and provide a glide surface to reduce wear. But I'm sure you are well on your way to a fix for that issue. I'll butt out and just watch the progress. Always like to see what folks come up with.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Burt1713 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:21 am

Snakeoil wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:14 am
Wear implies relative movement between the two parts, Bert. You might consider a polymer for the two mating surfaces or if not possible, just one. They tend to absorb shock to some extent and provide a glide surface to reduce wear. But I'm sure you are well on your way to a fix for that issue. I'll butt out and just watch the progress. Always like to see what folks come up with.
The wear item was replaced with a nylon lined unit. I believe the wear was caused by attaching and removing the windshield, not by stess from riding.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:53 pm

Nice.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by mi7d1 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:13 pm

Lofty wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:16 pm
mi7d1 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:36 am
The other day, I put my deposit down for a custom painted 2019 gear-up with fairing.
We're curious to know about the order procedure and pricing methodology for custom paint orders, if you don't mind sharing this information. Thanks.
Was reasonably simple. Told the dealer what I wanted & colour (2019 GU, Satin Yellow with full under coating) Put $2000 down and am now in the cue waiting.

edit: Also requested a Ural fairing colour matched.

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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by EncoreJoe » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:20 am

Would really like this product for fall and winter riding. Do we have an update on the progress?

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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Yakatak » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:03 pm

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Quick detach windshield mount. Construction problems.

Post by Burt1713 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:30 pm

I have been trying to build windshield mounts, but have been having about a 10% success rate bending the tubing. I don’t think I have the metal fabrication skills required to mass produce these. If anyone wants to try to build one for themselves or build them to sell I will give you as much information as I have, including a parts list, CAD files for the cut steel pieces, dimensions, and pictures.
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:54 pm

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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by Burt1713 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:52 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
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Re: Quick detach windshield mount.

Post by jeffsaline » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:28 pm

Burt1713,

I'm curious about the bending issues. Can you share a bit more and include the size of the tubing and what is happening when you try to bend it? Might also be helpful to know the angle(s) of the bend(s) and the method(s) you have been using without good results.

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