Easier Neutral Find

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Easier Neutral Find

Post by RC20 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:29 pm

I had noticed that when (2019 not sure how far back it may go) that if its in 1st, shift to reverse then back it puts the trany in neutral.

Lot easier than looking for neutral at a light, sometimes its really picky on the trany side doing so.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by Pterodactyl » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:36 pm

On my 18 and Spousal Unit’s 19 we can shift in and out of reverse from 1st or 2d and the trans goes to neutral. A significant advantage of having the tank mounted shifter.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by chaos2 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:17 am

I thought they all did that
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by SidecarDan » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:54 am

I find the easiest way to find neutral is to shift to first, put both the heel and toe on the shifter and with pressure on both sides of the pedal a small gentle movement does the trick.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by windmill » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:05 am

Yup, the neutral/reverse shifter is the easiest and most reliable way to find neutral, its even easier now with the rocker pedal.
Had the hand shifter on my Patrol, but removed it.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by RC20 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:17 am

SidecarDan wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:54 am
I find the easiest way to find neutral is to shift to first, put both the heel and toe on the shifter and with pressure on both sides of the pedal a small gentle movement does the trick.
Works about 55% of the time, at least mine the rest of the time its fiddly and at times can't get it at all though occasionally it will be in neutral and the N light not lit.

Using the reverse and back to normal is 100% (again for mine). So have gone to that.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by windmill » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 pm

RC20 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:17 am
SidecarDan wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:54 am
I find the easiest way to find neutral is to shift to first, put both the heel and toe on the shifter and with pressure on both sides of the pedal a small gentle movement does the trick.
Works about 55% of the time, at least mine the rest of the time its fiddly and at times can't get it at all though occasionally it will be in neutral and the N light not lit.

Using the reverse and back to normal is 100% (again for mine). So have gone to that.
2016 and older Urals had a small hand lever that requires one to bend over to use, or use ones heel in a manner that takes some time to be proficient at, and very awkward for some.

The neutral/reverse shifter works better because that's what its for :!: , but like the heel/toe shifter, some folks can't, or won't learn how to use it, and the manual doesn't give any guidance.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by RC20 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:23 pm

The neutral/reverse shifter works better because that's what its for :!: , but like the heel/toe shifter, some folks can't, or won't learn how to use it, and the manual doesn't give any guidance.
I found it by accident, shame its left out, works really nicely. N has always been a bit iffy at times on any bike I had not just the Ural though the Ural more so. Solves that and nicely.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by Bullethead » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:36 pm

When my ‘18 Gear Up was new, after a warm up, it seemed like the only way I could easily access neutral was via the reverse to neutral route. About 5000 miles down the road now, neutral easily found 90% of the time. Typically, down into first then gentle heel into neutral. If first attempt fails, however, back to reverse-to-neutral mode.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by Rusty Nuts » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:10 pm

Here I thought I was kicking the reverse lever while riding. Cause when I cant find neutral when parking I kick it around a little and BAM! there is the green light. Now I know. And as we all know... Knowing is half the battle!!
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by RC20 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:55 pm

I thought I was crazy at first. Then I thought, oh $#!+, maybe this is a bad thing.

Heindl had a U tube that mentioned it in passing so it was, phew, and figured to post it as I had not seen it before (does not mean it was not)
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by windmill » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:18 am

The only place I'm aware of that IMWA Ural acknowledges the dual function of the neutral/reverse shifter is the by year changes list under what's "new for 2017".
https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new

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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by hillbillybob » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:04 am

This feature has been around awhile....even my 14 year old (Russian geared tranny), works this way.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by Snakeoil » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:21 am

If you think about it, there is no way that the bike can be in 1st or 2nd gear and reverse at the same time. So the reverse shift has to assure that the forward gears are all disengaged. Hence it finds neutral. I don't remember what the manual says, but suspect it says you can only go into R from 1st, N or 2nd. If in 3rd or 4th, R cannot be achieved.

There were bikes in the past that actually had a neutral finder lever. Can't remember which offhand, but they existed.

I own several vintage bikes. Every tranny has its own personality. How the shifter is "gated" for lack of a better term determines how easy it is to find neutral. Any springs involved in the detent mechanism also play a role in that a detent with a weak spring is easy to go by and miss neutral. Add in slop from wear or just a loosely designed shifting mechanism and things get harder

Some trannies are easier to get into neutral by going from 1st. Others like going to N from second.

But bottom line is, in my 40+ years of riding, I've never found a bike that could not be put in neutral while rolling to a stop. If you are looking for neutral after you have come to a full stop, all bets are off. But once you learn that particular tranny's personality, it then becomes a simple matter of doing what it wants. I realize that not everyone has a sensitive touch, has ankles that don't move like they did when they were young, etc. Some folks just don't have a feel for things mechanical and will always struggle. We all have the friend who slams every car door shut or the one who goes for the screwdriver to pry or the hammer to bash when something will not come apart easily. Don't be that guy. Schmooze your tranny. Caress your shifter. If you treat it right, it will treat you right. And look for neutral while still rolling.
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Re: Easier Neutral Find

Post by windmill » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:31 pm

Originally when the M72 transmission didn't have reverse, the hand shift lever on the right was a full gear selector.

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