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4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:25 pm
by Eric N
I'm putting this in the watering hole since it's more about theory/ preference.

I'm adding 4 way flashers to my Gear Up. I want them for when I'm driving slower than main traffic, there are some freeway sections I can't easily avoid if I want to go some places and I'm more comfortable running flashers when I do it.

I can wire them so they only flash when the bike is keyed on. This is my initial plan, that way people who are just screwing with the bike when it's parked won't be able to turn them on.

I can also wire then so they'll direct feed off the battery if the bike's unattended. This would let them flash with the key off.

I haven't left a vehicle unattended on the side of the road with flashers on since 1994. I don't picture the need to add that feature to this bike, but does anyone know a reason to have that feature vs preventing the people that play with the bike from getting an "ooh" reward for their switch flipping and possibly coming back to a low battery?

Edited to change title, don't wanna confuse people.

Re: 4 ways on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:38 pm
by ReCycled
There are more options than that.

Do the turn signals work when your '18 key is in the park/acc position? They do on my '07 so key operated 4-ways that work with ignition and headlight off were as simple as a toggle switch joining left and right sides.

I don't happen to see the need to walk away from the bike with 4-ways flashing like a car, because you could (almost)always push it off the roadway. But If this is desirable, you could wire through relays that would only allow the 4-ways to function if it were initiated before removing the key or use a relay with a built in timer.

Re: 4 ways on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:13 pm
by Tomcatfixer
When I read the subject, I erroneously assumed you were asking about the use of this tool...

4-way.jpg
:)

Also, :lurker: because I'm interested in adding "flashers" to my rigs, as well.

Re: 4 ways on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:17 pm
by Eric N
ReCycled wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:38 pm
There are more options than that.

Do the turn signals work when your '18 key is in the park/acc position? They do on my '07 so key operated 4-ways that work with ignition and headlight off were as simple as a toggle switch joining left and right sides.

I don't happen to see the need to walk away from the bike with 4-ways flashing like a car, because you could (almost)always push it off the roadway. But If this is desirable, you could wire through relays that would only allow the 4-ways to function if it were initiated before removing the key or use a relay with a built in timer.
I use a DGD keyless ignition, I've used the actual Ural ignition switch only a handful of times, prefer to have the fob in my pocket. With that, I'm keeping it binary, either bike is on or off.

I debated the toggle joining left/ right sides, but I don't like that. Aesthetics and it's an extra thought process, building a dedicated hazard switch is easy enough with diodes to connect both left and right and run direct power.

I'm also of the "if it does break down, I can push it off the road" camp, but I don't know if there are other areas where a "off" bike would benefit from 4 ways. It's a slightly different wiring process to do one vs the other, so before I start making the loom I want to rule out any benefits of "off" hazards.

Re: 4 ways on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm
by Eric N
Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:13 pm
When I read the subject, I erroneously assumed you were asking about the use of this tool...


4-way.jpg

:)

Also, :lurker: because I'm interested in adding "flashers" to my rigs, as well.
Totally forgot those tools existed. Haven't used one in a very long time. Title changed to reduce confusion.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm
by rivers
Eric N wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:25 pm
I'm putting this in the watering hole since it's more about theory/ preference.

I'm adding 4 way flashers to my Gear Up. I want them for when I'm driving slower than main traffic, there are some freeway sections I can't easily avoid if I want to go some places and I'm more comfortable running flashers when I do it.
Might wanna check with you local LEO's Some states it's illegal to run the flashers when moving.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:48 pm
by Eric N
rivers wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm
Might wanna check with you local LEO's Some states it's illegal to run the flashers when moving.
Thanks, I'm comfortable with law enforcement being comfortable with my intended use.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:02 pm
by Lokiboy
Eric N wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:48 pm
rivers wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm
Might wanna check with you local LEO's Some states it's illegal to run the flashers when moving.
Thanks, I'm comfortable with law enforcement being comfortable with my intended use.
+1

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:56 pm
by Lofty
Eric N wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:25 pm
I'm putting this in the watering hole since it's more about theory/preference.

...does anyone know a reason to have that feature vs preventing the people that play with the bike from getting an "ooh" reward for their switch flipping and possibly coming back to a low battery?
If I envisioned direct-to-battery wiring of a hazard light function as the best solution for the traffic scenarios that I could reasonably anticipate, that's how I would proceed.

If I needed the four-ways to illuminate, but discrete circumstances prevented that from occurring because I wired the lights to protect against "switch flipping" by strangers, I'd be pretty peeved with myself.

The foregoing is an easy choice for me, insomuch that the sidecar's dual LED driving lights are wired (at the factory) direct to the battery. Not once have I returned to my rig in the parking lot to find the lights turned on by someone who touched what they shouldn't have touched. So, to me, it's a non-concern.

rivers wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm
check with your local LEO's; Some states it's illegal to run the flashers when moving.
When traffic slows unexpectedly on the local highways and byways, it's the habit of some drivers (myself included) to turn on our hazard lights, at least briefly, to warn following drivers of the rapid observed change in traffic flow. More than twice have I then observed the following driver turn his hazards on. In modern terms, this is a crowd-sourced safety feature that I and others appreciate. I've done it myself on countless occasions when coming around a bend and observing an Amish buggy that is occupying part or all of the travel lane.

I've been conciliatory during the very few times that I've been pulled over. If, however, law enforcement gave me grief for using my hazard lights in the manner that I describe above -- i.e., while still in motion -- I'd probably roll the dice and explain why I was doing so.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:11 pm
by Eric N
Lofty wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:56 pm
The foregoing is an easy choice for me, insomuch that the sidecar's dual LED driving lights are wired (at the factory) direct to the battery. Not once have I returned to my rig in the parking lot to find the lights turned on by someone who touched what they shouldn't have touched. So, to me, it's a non-concern.
I ride year round, park in Downtown Denver. It is not uncommon for me to shake homeless off the bike. I have had my switches all messed with many times. Special ordered my 2018 without that sidecar LED thing, doesn't work for my needs, but would have had to run that through a relay. To each their own.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:20 pm
by Donbmw
I installed a extra led brake light on my rear bumper that does multiple things. When power is on weg wags LH and RH. When brakes are applied it flashes a few times then to bright on for the third brake light.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:22 pm
by Lofty
Eric N wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:11 pm
I ride year round, park in Downtown Denver. It is not uncommon for me to shake homeless off the bike. I have had my switches all messed with many times. Special ordered my 2018 without that sidecar LED thing, doesn't work for my needs, but would have had to run that through a relay. To each their own.
"Shake homeless off the bike."

Fair enough. I sometimes forget how good I have it.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:14 am
by Desantnik-VDV
You can install your first secret switch (#1) in some hidden place and feed/power your operating switch (#2), which will then flash your lights.

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:27 am
by Desantnik-VDV
Older Urals use to have a master power switch made of metal as well under the seat. :D

Re: 4 way flashers on Ural - Does anyone use them when vehicle is parked/ key off?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:51 am
by Eric N
Desantnik-VDV wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:14 am
You can install your first secret switch (#1) in some hidden place and feed/power your operating switch (#2), which will then flash your lights.
The question is if there is any advantage to having 4 way flashers when the bike is parked and key is off.

Zero interest in hidden switches for something I am going to use while driving in distracted conditions.