Winter Tires - with or without studs...

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Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by adriancw » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:11 pm

I think this topic has been covered before in other threads, but a lot of the posts seem to be a few years old. So...

I am sorry to ask again, but as I'm about to embark on a trip in Canada I wanted to get thoughts and benefit from others experiences.

1. What tires are recommended for Ice & snow? I still have my stock tires and inner tubes on, with a few thousand miles on - but want a fresh set...

2. I believe studs may be a good way to go, so knobby tires that I can screw something on to would be my first thought. On other forums (BMW & KLR 650 for instance) I have heard great things about Continental TKC80 tires, and self tapping carbide tire studs (from Aerostich and others).

Any feedback much appreciated!!

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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by Lokiboy » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:38 pm

Odd outlook... Just because posts might be old doesn’t mean they are not relevant.

With that said, I can’t imagine anything more than knobbies would be needed, but I have no idea if you’re riding in the “north forty” or staying on plowed roads.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by RC20 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:57 pm

No one offers a offer a tire for a Ural that has a winter compound so its not a slam dunk. I really do not like studs but its the only way to go for a Ural. This is what I did.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=55662

At issue with any miles you do wear them out but if you hit ice and snow its the only thing that will keep you solidly planted. They work and work well, I have lost none so far.

Lugs will work in snow unless you go down to ice then they are useless. Most traveled roads have an ice layer.

Ideally a Blizzak like winter compound like option would be available but is not.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by windmill » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:34 pm

RC20 wrote:
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No one offers a offer a tire for a Ural that has a winter compound so its not a slam dunk.
Heidenau K37S Snowtex

https://www.midwesttraction.com/store/c ... port-tire/
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by windmill » Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:55 pm

adriancw wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:11 pm
I think this topic has been covered before in other threads, but a lot of the posts seem to be a few years old. So...

I am sorry to ask again, but as I'm about to embark on a trip in Canada I wanted to get thoughts and benefit from others experiences.

1. What tires are recommended for Ice & snow? I still have my stock tires and inner tubes on, with a few thousand miles on - but want a fresh set...

2. I believe studs may be a good way to go, so knobby tires that I can screw something on to would be my first thought. On other forums (BMW & KLR 650 for instance) I have heard great things about Continental TKC80 tires, and self tapping carbide tire studs (from Aerostich and others).

Any feedback much appreciated!!

Cheers, Adrian :D
Studs work great on snow and ice if not pressed too hard, but don't fair well at higher speeds on dry pavement. I don't recommend them for a long trip.

I've run traditional studs, screw in studs, and ice screws on several different tires. The most durable are traditional studs, but it takes some time and effort to drill a tire for them. Ice screws are quick and cheap to use when needed, just carry a box and a tool to screw them in. On dry pavement they quickly wear and fall out.

Heidenau K37S snowtex tires are the best option. Kenda K335 are pretty good and 1/3 the price. The Avon triple duty does surprising well on compact snow and ice, but not so good in deep snow. Reasonably fresh Duro 307, and Heidenau K37 aren't bad.

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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by RC20 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:02 am

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Heidenau K37S Snowtex [/quote]

Damn, I looked for something like that and never came across a reference, I sit corrected. Looks like 19 inch only?

I would go with those over studs.

viewtopic.php?t=14260

I have had the studded on icy streets and even that was iffy on startup traction.

We run Blizzaks on the car and those work wonders, if the Snotex is as good then you are golden.

I sure wold not want to be on packed snow or ice at any speed with anything that was not but my major adventure days are done.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by Geno89074 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:13 am

Heidenau K37S Snowtex

Wow those look great for snow and also mud....are the decent on dry pavement as well??
Might be a great all around tire for someone who off roads a lot
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by RC20 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:15 am

Geno89074 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:13 am
Heidenau K37S Snowtex

Wow those look great for snow and also mud....are the decent on dry pavement as well??
Might be a great all around tire for someone who off roads a lot
Much faster wear when warm and really fast if it gets hot.

I ran the Blizzask on summer on the Passat, fronts wore out though the backs still have 2-3 years use. Suspect the pusher on the Ural would go fast. Our temps tend to the 55-65 in summer so not that hot.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by windmill » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:25 am

RC20 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:15 am
Geno89074 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:13 am
Heidenau K37S Snowtex

Wow those look great for snow and also mud....are the decent on dry pavement as well??
Might be a great all around tire for someone who off roads a lot
Much faster wear when warm and really fast if it gets hot.

I ran the Blizzask on summer on the Passat, fronts wore out though the backs still have 2-3 years use. Suspect the pusher on the Ural would go fast. Our temps tend to the 55-65 in summer so not that hot.
Exactly. A great choice for extended winter conditions, poor choice for a all season all arounder.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by windmill » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:32 am

Haven't had it on snow yet, But I suspect the 3.50 X 18 K37 will do well in snow.

Siped 3.50 X 18 Vs. plain 4.00 X 19
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by adriancw » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:03 am

Hi and many thanks to all who responded, and included links to other threads!! I must have been using the wrong key words when searching earlier!!

Based on all I've read, I will try and go with the Heidenau K37S Snowtex, and fit some studs to them, probably from Grip Studs.

As to size, as we all know that matters, the 1100 or 1200 may be the way to go.

To help anybody else who might have a similar question or topic in the future, here are the links to the various forum posts:

Getting Ready for Winter and OPS: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=55662
Heidenau K27 Snowtex tires: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14260

Some Vendors posts:

http://www.heindlengineering.com/Online ... _tires.htm
https://en.reifenwerk-heidenau.com/modu ... 103&pic=20
https://www.midwesttraction.com/store/c ... port-tire/

https://www.gripstuds.com/Tire_Stud_Selection.php
https://www.aerostich.com/self-tapping- ... studs.html

Many thanks again to all, cheers!! Adrian
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by stagewex » Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:59 am

I run K37's year-round. I was not aware that there was a "K37S" and was not able to determine that there is a difference between the two. Is there?

Needless to say whether there is or not K37 is an excellent off-road tire and snow , mud, dirt tire hands-down. Sand... it's so-so.
No need for steel studs which will suck on pavement but I'm relaying how I use the rig from street/highway to and from the trails.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by bratmanxj » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:10 am

stagewex wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:59 am
I run K37's year-round. I was not aware that there was a "K37S" and was not able to determine that there is a difference between the two. Is there?
https://en.reifenwerk-heidenau.com/modu ... 103&pic=20
High silica content vs the standard 37
Silica also provides substantial benefits when used in winter and all-season tires. Silica-silane compounds remain much more flexible at low temperatures, making them ideal for winter tire compounds, and producing low rolling resistance winter tires with the same miraculous grip and wear resistance. Together with new techniques of cutting siping patterns, this has produced a revolution in the tire industry that has basically destroyed all the old rules and set everything we used to know on its ear.
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Post by stagewex » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:22 pm

Thanks.
As soon as I read the words “miraculous grip” because of silica-silane I knew I didn’t need them over the regular K37’s. “New & Improved” comes to mind.

Probably best for someone that runs regular street tires and wants to swap in snows for the Winter like on their car.
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Re: Winter Tires - with or without studs...

Post by bratmanxj » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:26 pm

stagewex wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:22 pm
As soon as I read the words “miraculous grip” because of silica-silane I knew I didn’t need them over the regular K37’s. “New & Improved” comes to mind.

Probably best for someone that runs regular street tires and wants to swap in snows for the Winter like on their car.
All depends on your needs. If you live in a dry COLD climate and ride in sub-freezing weather regularly, the silica will keep the rubber pliable for better grip. If its 30-40 deg and snow I don't know if they'd offer you much advantage over the standard knobbie 37.
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