What are your kickstarting rituals?

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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:28 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:38 am
Kickstart doesn't work on UK (or any other drive-on-the-left country) EFI Ural. :( Lever hits sidecar brake linkage.

As per GHGoodwin carry a battery booster around, in case.
Everything is on the wrong side in the UK, isn't it Mike? :D
I also have seen plenty Of older bikes with a kickstarter lever on the fight side here in US. I wouldn't attach a sidecar to any of it :lol:


Standing on the foot peg is not that safe. There was a guy on this forum, who got injured doing that. An earthquake can happen, a slippery foot ware, etc. I like doing it in most common way standing on the ground and kicking with my right foot.
Sometimes, I also like bump starting the bike that does not have a kickstarter if/when there is a downhill slope... did that with a Honda Valkyrie and a BMW's at a gas station after filling. That gas station pumps were located like 5ft. higher than the street level :)
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by redtails » Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:52 pm

Yeah, I admit that I love to kickstart my bike, unless I get too lazy. I grew up on bikes that had no electric start so I have been accustom to kick starting.

Having one of the first 2014 EFI bikes, I wasn't able to kick start the bike until the OR map. I had my dealer (Ski) try it and he wasn't able to either. The trick with the EFI is to make sure you give it a sharp, quick kick to turn it over fast enough for the electronics. Cold it may take more than one kick but once warmed up, kick and go...
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Eric N » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:27 pm

Each kickstart bike has it's own quirks but in general, and in helping others kickstart theirs (this is carbed bikes, EFI is a different game):

Chokes are dialed in for about 60 degrees, my bikes will start without choke above that but get pissy below.

Power off, fuel on, two full priming kicks. Use compression release if equipped/ needed.

Power on, slow push to near TDC, and then let kickstarter go back up all the way, hand on throttle and also part of hand on handlebars/ switchbox, and open and hold throttle 1/16 of a turn.

Kick while throttle is open 1/16

They usually start right up. I may need to hold throttle for a minute as the engine warms if it's on the cool side.

Below 60 degrees, same thing but with choke or enricheners on.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by codemonkey001 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:11 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:38 am
Kickstart doesn't work on UK (or any other drive-on-the-left country) EFI Ural. :( Lever hits sidecar brake linkage.

As per GHGoodwin carry a battery booster around, in case.
Shoulda gone with a Royal Enfield ;) My friend in India loves the right-side kickstart on his sidecar rig.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Bilgekeeldave » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:17 pm

Power on, crack the throttle so it is just off of the stops and give it a kick. It starts right up even if it has been sitting for awhile.
My Dnepr is kickstart only and has Edelbrock Quicksilver carburetors.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by eastbloc » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:18 pm

FI is a whole 'nother game. It has nothing to do with the speed you kick it, it has to do with richness of the mixture. That may be why the OR map helps.

Getting FI bikes kickstarted cold may require unplugging the breather tube from the airbox and squirting a bit of starting fluid in there. I've started mine down to the teens using that method.

Haven't tried a 2019 yet but I vastly prefer my carbureted Urals to my 2014.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:25 pm

Desantnik-VDV wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:28 pm
Everything is on the wrong side in the UK, isn't it Mike? :D
Yeah bluddy foreign bikes


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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by AndyH » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:38 am
Kickstart doesn't work on UK (or any other drive-on-the-left country) EFI Ural. :( Lever hits sidecar brake linkage.
The kickstarter on my 2015 Tourist 1WD, chair on the left, in a drive on the left country clears the brake linkage. There is a rubber bump stop on the frame that takes the hit of the horn on the lever and the lever doesn't impinge on anything else. I used it extensively when the original starter died and occasionally when people compliment me on the fine restoration job :)

Trick with the EFI models is to keep your hand away from the throttle and punch down fast.
It probably helps that the minimum temp where I live never gets below 10C - 50F
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by codemonkey001 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:58 pm

AndyH wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:03 pm
It probably helps that the minimum temp where I live never gets below 10C - 50F
I don't event bother with the choke on my carbed 2007 until 0°C. Only challenging starts last year where I had to jump it were -18°C.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by tgtrotter » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:31 am

Bilgekeeldave wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:17 pm
Power on, crack the throttle so it is just off of the stops and give it a kick. It starts right up even if it has been sitting for awhile.
My Dnepr is kickstart only and has Edelbrock Quicksilver carburetors.
+1

That's how I've done my '07 Patrol. Mostly with choke on for first 5-15 seconds. If it's been running or air temp over 75-80, no choke.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:17 pm

AndyH wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:03 pm
Mr Wazzock wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:38 am
Kickstart doesn't work on UK (or any other drive-on-the-left country) EFI Ural. :( Lever hits sidecar brake linkage.
The kickstarter on my 2015 Tourist 1WD, chair on the left, in a drive on the left country clears the brake linkage. There is a rubber bump stop on the frame that takes the hit of the horn on the lever and the lever doesn't impinge on anything else. I used it extensively when the original starter died and occasionally when people compliment me on the fine restoration job :)

Trick with the EFI models is to keep your hand away from the throttle and punch down fast.
It probably helps that the minimum temp where I live never gets below 10C - 50F
Mine is obviously different.

I could remove the brake linkage, which will be big faff, but still no good; the lever has an extension on it for the bump stop, this is designed to prevent it hitting the brake linkage, except it still does! So will be no further forward, or rather downward. Crank maybe turns just 40 - 50 degrees. :( Hopeless, barely gets it turning. Need to remove linkage AND get a different kickstart lever to have a chance (or cut off the bump stop extension).
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:21 pm

eastbloc wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:18 pm
FI is a whole 'nother game. It has nothing to do with the speed you kick it, it has to do with richness of the mixture. That may be why the OR map helps.

Getting FI bikes kickstarted cold may require unplugging the breather tube from the airbox and squirting a bit of starting fluid in there. I've started mine down to the teens using that method.
This is worth keeping in mind. :thumbsup:
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by AndyH » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:30 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:17 pm
Mine is obviously different.
Actually it isn't - I had a really good look at mine and can see where the kick lever has hit the brake linkage - mine has some minor strike marks on the linkage but nothing too hard, paint isn't even missing. The only thing I can think of is that I am depressing the foot brake at the same time?
I can start mine within 3 or 4 kicks from cold and 1 or 2 when hot so it can be done.
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Re: What are your kickstarting rituals?

Post by GoatTracks » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:18 pm

I give Frank a couple gentle kicks with the ignition off, then turn ignition on and kick it again, and it usually starts by the second or third kick.

If it's cold (<40 F) out, I open the chokes up til it starts, then back them down once the engine runs smoothly.

If it doesn't wanna kick-start easily (which it does sometimes when cold), I then go for the e-starter rather than fight it. It'll almost always kickstart with a warm engine.
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