cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

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cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:38 pm

Being a Technician/ Engineer in my latter work years I tend to get into the weeds on tech stuff (sometimes latter than sooner)

So reading the manual the Dry weight of a cT is : 700 lbs and the GU: 730 (makes sense sort of with the stuff for the 2WD on GU - don't get me going on dry weight, at least put in the Oil and 3 gallons of gas to be real) I got into this as people asked about how heavy it is and I ponder setting up the shocks loaded and so on).

But then on page 3-8 it says

GU: 590 lbs Max Additional Payload

cT: 440. (the M70/Retro is also listed as 430)

Now the GU comes stock with the tire, shovel (gas can holder?) and it has the Gear and the added weight of the hub (not that muich) and shifter.

Anyone know why the 150 lbs difference?
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:02 pm

I don't have a page 3-8 in my version. But I have in the specs table "Max permissable weight, lbs: 1325" for both. I expect most of the extra 30 lbs on the GU is the spare wheel.

Could be just a typo. (?)
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:32 pm

I suppose it could be. It would have to be 390 then. Assuming a 200 lb rider, still leaves good haul in the hack.

That said, Hack with a passenger and more gear would push well over the weight edge .

Keeping in mind this is dry weight so you add in tools, helmet, coats, gloves etc for the rider and passenger, some fluids weight with gas being 35 lbs

Official carry capacity gets pretty low to overload.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Burt1713 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:14 pm

I’m betting on a misprint, especially since the M70/Retro isn’t available in 2019.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:47 pm

Understood about the M70/Retro, but the data is in line with a non 2WD with 10 lb difference.

I can see that being a carry over but if so then previous data is ?????
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1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Lokiboy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:05 pm

RC20 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:47 pm
Understood about the M70/Retro, but the data is in line with a non 2WD with 10 lb difference.

I can see that being a carry over but if so then previous data is ?????
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Daisy Cutter » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:49 am

Doesn't the CT sit lower than the GU? Could that be it?
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:23 pm

It does, I am not sure where all the height change comes in.

GU has 19 inch wheels vs the cT 18".
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:55 pm

And CT sidecar is 3 inches lower. So total 3.5 inches lower including having smaller wheels.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:19 pm

RC20 wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:32 pm
Keeping in mind this is dry weight so you add in tools, helmet, coats, gloves etc for the rider and passenger, some fluids weight with gas being 35 lbs

Official carry capacity gets pretty low to overload.
OK I just went and looked at my adding up notes again, and then had to revise it because of recent changes / additions ...

Dry weight 700 lbs [318 kg] (CT model)
Fluids, oils + full tank 20 ltrs 42 lbs [19 kg]
Jerry can w/8 ltrs 22 lbs [10 kg]
New ammo box + contents, 22 lbs [10 kg]
Towbar, 6 - 7 kg? 15 lbs -ish
Two tool kits, Ural + mine, must be 10 kg, 22 lbs
"Hand luggage" + whatever other crap I normally carry around, 5 - 6 kg? 13 lbs *
Other added acccessories, trunk lid rack, front and rear sidecar "bumper" bars, 6 - 7 kg? 15 lbs
Me, 140 lbs [63 kg]
Total 991 lbs [450 kg]

No camping gear or passenger(s) yet, which would be extra on top :o

And I don't have a spare wheel.

No wonder Fran and Yvonne had trouble with those Panamanian hills, brakes not coping and wot-not


(* include motorbike clothing in this, including waterproofs, carried if not worn)
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:50 am

Not bad at all. Very light rider + even lighter gear. The Rover can take you all over :D

Patient is asking doctor:
- Doctor, what should my height be according to my BMI?
- 4 meters, replied doctor.

So, don't pay much of attention to all that weight. Ural can carry another 400 pounds of weight :)
Just spread all that added weight equally and enjoy your ride.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:11 pm

My grandma other was like 4 ft 8 inches and her Doc told her she was overweight. I tole her she was just too short for her weight (yea old joke but).

Craked her up, she had never heard that one. Good times may she rest in peace.
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Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
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1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Marine Corps Codu » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:37 pm

RC20 wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:11 pm
My grandma other was like 4 ft 8 inches and her Doc told her she was overweight. I tole her she was just too short for her weight (yea old joke but).

Craked her up, she had never heard that one. Good times may she rest in peace.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by Lofty » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:19 pm

The factory website presently illustrates a maximum permissible vehicle weight of 1,325 lbs. for both the cT and the Gear Up. No weeds here.
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Re: cT vs GU Different Carry Capacity?

Post by RC20 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:13 pm

Hah, I though I remembered a Max weight, not in my manual.

If you use empty from the manual for cT and add 440, that comes to #1140

If you use the empty wight in the manual of 730 for the GU, add the 590 - that comes up to #1320

Most interesting. as it give s the cT #625 using the empty and the Max and ignoring the book on the listed carry.

It makes more sense as combine a heavy person like myself and a tall person like my wife with our gear and we over gross the Ural with us alone
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Formerly Owned: ( various rides on others)
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1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

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