Parking the bike...

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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by Lofty » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:45 pm

HassoBoxhead wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:37 pm
After working thru the potential causes one by one, the engine was finally sent to Heindl ‘s to be rebuilt (new cylinders, pistons, rings, etc) and then shipped back to VA where it is now awaiting a new crank and rear main.
Did the VA mechanic(s) fill in the blanks and confirm what caused the oil loss, etc?
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by HassoBoxhead » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:02 pm

Lofty, they’ve tried everything and then turned to Heindl for their recommendation. Heindl said the pistons were pretty much shot and so replaced the cylinders and pistons, but weren’t sure whether the crank might be a factor as well. Once the rig was put back together in VA and test drove, leak was less but still there so Heindl recommended putting in a new crank and rear main. Parts just arrived so now that process begins, it goes back together and we’ll see...keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by HassoBoxhead » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:04 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:46 pm
Looking forward to hearing the verdict.
When it comes back, as mentioned in the first page, I'm only an hour away from you, own four Urals, and have a fully stocked shop, so let me know if you need help.
Chad, thanx much, I will definitely be learning from your expertise and experience!
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by Waffl6 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:26 am

Hasso,

Glad you're finally going to get your rig figured out. You should take it to bikes and breakfast in Clifton at some point and meet the other local Uralista. There are 2 of us in Fairfax, 1 in Clifton, and several more in the surrounding areas.

At the moment I'm not sure if Corona has cancelled B&B though.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by DisplacedYooper » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:13 am

My 2000 Patrol, only leaves oil identities if parked for a longer period. Both engine and final drive.
But "I know it has Oil in it.......I CAN See IT!"

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Post by HassoBoxhead » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:15 pm

Waffl, a friend took me to one of the Clifton B&Bs over the past winter, was really cool! Looking forward to going again.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:28 pm

so Heindl recommended putting in a new crank and rear main
I am reminded some people have replaced the old Moto Guzzi rear main seal 2 or even 3 times until they get one that doesn't leak!
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Post by HassoBoxhead » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 pm

New crank and rear main received and installed...still leaking oil. I’m about at the end of my rope. It’s now into the 11th month the motorcycle has been at the shop. I know people will say to go to a different shop but I’m already invested a lot here and it’s still not ready.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by Michal » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:42 am

What way is it leaking?
Greasy engine below cylinders and oil pan? - That's normal, it's almost impossible and pointless to keep Ural engine dry.
Few drops of oil on the floor? - That's less than perfect but still falls in normal condition of this engine.
Small puddle of oil on the floor? - That's not normal, you should find source of leak easily and fix it. But it is safe to ride it.
Loss of 1/3 oil between dipstick min/max marks during one ride? - That's not a leak, that's serious oil consumption! The oil quantity between min/max marks is roughly 1 litre, which equals 3 beer cans or bottles. Pour one entire beer can under your Ural and see how large puddle it makes. Such massive leak just does not happen unless there is something really odd.
If it does not leak that badly but it still consumes lot of oil, there are some possible causes:
1. broken/stuck piston rings
2. cylinder wall ripped badly, i.e. by popped out piston pin clip
3. Really badly worn-out valve stems or valve guides
4. Misaligned crankcase breather valve
5. Clogged crankcase breather tubes or hose
6. Clogged head oil return pipe

Defunct breather causes pressure buildup and really bad oil consumption. It's commonly neglected part of the engine.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by jvan1954 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:18 pm

Hasso, i feel for you because a similar thing happened to me in the past. The guys working on your scooter may mean well and be the best dudes ever but it is time to cut them loose. I read back forums like normal folks surf the net or whatever. One thing I have figured out is that while these machines are simple in design and easy to wrench on there is a tremendous amount of arcane knowledge that is gotten only by working on them. The dudes on this forum know what issues plague what years and when you can expect them to come up. The level of expertise is amazing. I hate wasting money as much as anybody but a year is crazy to have the bike down. Some extremely sharp dudes have offered to assist you, it may be time to take them up on it.
Please take this limited advise in the spirit it is given, my teeth itch when my scooters broke and it sounds like yours are also. Good luck which ever way you go
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by RC20 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:39 pm

I know its late in the situation, but when there are incremental operations with more than on party going on, like sending it out and having the head replaced by one party but then having the other issue still to be addressed by the first party.

In other words, you need a complete rebuild (or new engine) supplied by one party that is responsible for their work.

Heindel is probably the best bet but maybe URAL but not the local operation and as noted, a new or rebuilt engine. With a warranty.

Or see if Heindel will deal with the current engine with a warranty.

I think your local shop should pay for that as they are the one who has made the mistakes.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by HassoBoxhead » Tue May 26, 2020 11:24 pm

After trailering the rig to Heindl last week, Jon e-mailed me today with the verdict: “We have been working on your bike today and have found the issue. I have also talked with Ural and they have only seen this once before. The long and short: the engine block needs to be replaced as it appears the oil is actually coming out of the rear cam bushing in the case that leaks when it is hot causing oil to run down onto the rear main seal and then heating the seal causing it to fail. “

They’ll be sending the engine out to Redmond and get it rebuilt. Not necessarily wonderful news but after almost a year, I know what’s wrong with it. And hat’s off to Heindl for quickly getting to the bottom of the issue AND arranging a course of action!
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed May 27, 2020 4:51 am

Thanks for sharing the diagnosis.

On the plus side, like everyone says, at least you'll be receiving a Sergei-built engine, which is the Gold Standard of Ural quality.
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by cookiemech » Wed May 27, 2020 6:01 am

You certainly took it to the right place!
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Re: Parking the bike...

Post by stagewex » Wed May 27, 2020 9:42 am

Wow, that's some journey over the course of a year.
Engine "BLOCK", who would have ever diagnosed that?

At least in Good/Great hands now.
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