Ural oil change-filter

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Ural oil change-filter

Postby kawzak » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:21 pm

I will be doing my first oil change on my Ural Patrol soon. I have an new origional type Russian filter-and I bought an Emgo. I assume they filter about the same micron,etc. My question is one better than the other? The emgo looks better built/ may be illusion. What you experianced wrenchs say? Also- I am not going to wait the listed milage. I am going to do it earlier. I don't know oil the dealer used ( proper weight/etc). I just want to be sure.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby chaos2 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:57 pm

I recently did my first, with an Emgo. The top-hat barely fit in the filter. Hole not big enough. I managed to get it in but I'm going to run it by my dealer (Heindle eng) before I buy another one
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby windmill » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:18 am

6 in one half - half dozen in the other.

The hole in the emgo tends to be slightly undersized. The Russian filter is easier to get past the cross over pipe. I use the Russian filters as I can get them cheaper.

You should always have a few spare top hats and o rings on hand.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby Sailing Rider » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:32 am

I use the Russian ones becouse I get them cheaper also. I would guess your dealer used the correct weight oil. Dont freak out when you see all the stuff on the magnet, its normal.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby Darkblood » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:05 am

I use both. The Emgo tends to fare better in the trunk as the emergency oil change kit, the Russian is easier to get past the crossover pipe until you install the "Dent" in it with a hammer. I did have a Russian filter fall apart when I was removing it with the top part sticking inside the engine. was a pain to dig it out. I think I could use the Emgo as a jack stand if I needed to. :lol:
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby kevo » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:28 am

If you use a pair of needle nose pliers as a reamer you can round off the hole in the Emgo and make it easier to fit the top hat - and make your top hats last for a couple of changes.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby Railbender » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:46 am

I drill the hole in the Emgos to 9/16", it makes the top hat fit a bit easier. I have thought about getting a second oil filter plug and turning down the mounting stud to fit the Emgos. I have heard about just using a fenderwasher and O ring rather than the top hat but never tried it.

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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby BigJames » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:24 am

Have used both, prefer the Russian ones, they fit better, cost less, it's a lower pressure system and they are only in there for 1500 miles...all they are supposed to do is remove the REALLY big pieces the magnets get the stuff that comes off due to the engine and tranny "self machining"...
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby berger » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:40 am

BigJames wrote:Have used both, prefer the Russian ones, they fit better, cost less, it's a lower pressure system and they are only in there for 1500 miles...all they are supposed to do is remove the REALLY big pieces the magnets get the stuff that comes off due to the engine and tranny "self machining"...


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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby doug » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:58 pm

If you use the Emgo filter, you will dent one side of the perforated metal sleeve getting it up in over the cross over pipe. You can minimize the size and depth of the dent with care and patience by rolling the filter slightly from side to side as you slip the bottom of the filter up over the cross over, but no matter how careful you are the filter will have a small dent in it when you are done. Don't panic, this is normal :roll:

For a while, Heindl and Crawford's were out of the "top hats" and I bought the stainless fender washer and O-ring arrangement from them. I have continued to use that arrangement because it is simpler and costs a bit less.

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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby Lokiboy » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:34 pm

I just slide the Emgo filiter up and then attach the bottom - I've never dented anything. I have had the Emgo get stuck when taking it out and have had to use a long screwdriver to pop it loose, however.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby doug » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:01 pm

Lokiboy wrote:I just slide the Emgo filiter up and then attach the bottom - I've never dented anything. I have had the Emgo get stuck when taking it out and have had to use a long screwdriver to pop it loose, however.


Hi Dave!

Might be that Ural manufacturing tolerances are such that your cross over pipe is back or down the fraction of an inch that it would take for the bottom edge of the filter to clear the pipe without the side of the filter touching the filter opening. On mine and others I have seen, another 1/8" to 1/4" clearance is all it would take to get the filter to clear the pipe :roll: and there is simply no way to get the filter up in there without denting it unless you take the exhaust headers off. I too have had the filter get stuck up in the filter cavity; I even have had the metal top cap come off the filter body and remain stuck up in the top of the filter cavity. The metal cap is thin and soft and I used a long screwdriver to bend it and work it out of there. Looking up inside there with a flashlight once the cap was out I did see the machining of the recess for the filter up in the top was not concentric with the cast bore but that is not the first thing I have ever found on my rig that wasn't round and/or concentric. Having spent a long career around machining and fabrication, I am often surprised how far from round or concentric some of the parts I have examined on my Ural actually are :roll:

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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby greenmachine » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:59 pm

The way the filter is set up on the Ural, the filter element does very close to nothing pretty much.... All the grunge is layin in the bottom of the filter housing cover. Clean that real good and put it back on. If you have chunks big enough for the filter to actually retain them ya gots more problems than pickin the right filter element.... jus sayin....

Change your oil frequently. It doesn't matter much if ya change the oil filter or not, just clean out the housing.

I pretty much prefer the cheapo Russian cardboard and paper filters that came in a "giant-bag-o-filters" from Ukraine. I've used several dozen of em and never had one fall apart. I ended up only changing the filter element every 40-50 thou .... but I changed my oils every third WEEK most of the time.
Nuthin wrong with Emgo, except there is no operational advantage and they cost more.

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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby AlanCT » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:25 pm

I've used both Emgo and Russia, and can't really tell the difference. You can also replace the rubber top hat thingie with an o ring and a flat washer.
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Re: Ural oil change-filter

Postby catfish » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:07 am

I agree with Kermit.The filter means just about nothing because it does just about nothing.All the crap settles in the filter housing cover.I just clean the cover so I can see how much junk is coming out of the engine.Inever used an Emgo because had a lot of Russian filters but remember when the Emgos were first made and nobody has said a bad word about them.

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