Help! Need good collar nut tool!

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Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby BinDerSmokDat » Wed May 16, 2018 9:50 am

So after wailing on it with a hammer for my previous FD rebuild and again last night trying to get the collar nut off an older FD to swap to a newer driveshaft yoke, the nubbin on my stock collar nut wrench broke.

Anyone know of a good tool to replace this?
I was thinking a socket with prongs, similar to the old 4x4 hub sockets, but can't seem to find one that fits a Ural collar nut.

I know one of you has found or made something better!
Share the info!

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Crawford Sales Co. » Wed May 16, 2018 11:57 am

There are 2 left hand threads on a Ural.
- In put seal housing on the final drive
- Front axle on a leading link front suspension. On a telescopic fork bike, some have left or right thread. If it doesn't want to loosen up, try the other way.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Lmo » Wed May 16, 2018 2:53 pm

Something like a universal "pin spanner"

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O'reilly autopart stores loan tools (nice of them, huh). Other probably do too.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Tomcatfixer » Wed May 16, 2018 3:21 pm

Hammer and punch/drift/Tommy bar?

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Lmo » Wed May 16, 2018 3:26 pm

Hammer and punch/drift/Tommy bar?

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Snakeoil » Wed May 16, 2018 5:48 pm

Lmo wrote:
Hammer and punch/drift/Tommy bar?

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And he works on airplanes. :boogie:

Sorry Chad. You set yourself up for this one.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Tomcatfixer » Wed May 16, 2018 6:16 pm

Bah! If I'm a cigar-chompin' Joisey-ite that broke his only spanner wrench, and the only thing standing between me and the Jersey Devil Hunt is a last minute final drive gland nut swap, you'd better believe I'd tap that thing off and on with a hammer and a drift! Wouldn't even hesitate.

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby GHGoodwin » Wed May 16, 2018 7:12 pm

Lmo wrote:Something like a universal "pin spanner"

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O'reilly autopart stores loan tools (nice of them, huh). Other probably do too.


Can also be had with square end for this type of nut.

Try McMaster-Carr.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Snakeoil » Wed May 16, 2018 8:14 pm

You might try a bicycle shop. They used to use a lot of nuts like this on bikes.

I've made 4 tooth sockets from Taiwan sockets. You can buy individual large sockets at Tractor Supply for small money. Using a Dremel with a cut off wheel I form the 4 teeth and then cut away the rest of the socket between them. Final cleanup is with a flat file. I've tried making them from HF impact sockets, but they are too brittle and the teeth snap. Plus, much harder metal to work with.

Somebody with a water jet should make some tools like these. I'll bet they'd sell here. Set up a group buy and get the money up front. Then have the guy water cut the wrenches out of something like armor plate steel.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Lmo » Thu May 17, 2018 3:49 am

you'd better believe I'd tap that thing off and on with a hammer and a drift! Wouldn't even hesitate.


Whatever keeps'em flyin'!!! 8)

p.s I already wore mine out with a punch (didn't have a metric hammer)...
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby BinDerSmokDat » Thu May 17, 2018 12:23 pm

Terry thank you, I may have given it a couple of taps before I remembered it was reverse thread, but then remembered and a few more taps and the wrench broke.

Guys, to clarify I'm not dead in the water or needing a fix immediately.
I just pulled the swing arm and used the FD with the old-style driveshaft.

I was looking for recommendations if someone had found a "better mousetrap."
I know they make universal spanners, but like the idea of a socket that catches all four grooves.

A punch and hammer will work but it fudges up the collar nut which is made a bubblegum/zinc alloy apparently. I tried on my last FD rebuild. ;)

I will get an appropriate length of thick walled pipe and make a socket if I can't find one.

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby zoober » Thu May 17, 2018 2:30 pm

Look up chain wrenches. There are some that are relatively thin and give you great leverage. A little strip aluminum beer can to protect the surface and off and running.
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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby Lmo » Fri May 18, 2018 1:45 pm

This BMW airhead exhaust wrench won't help you, but it might serve as an idea generator. The OEM wrench was forged, but there are now several fabricated versions. Problem might be that there is only about 45° degrees of swing available (only four notches on the gland nut).

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edit... just discovered "adjustable gland nut wrenches"...

here's one, but there are a ton on the net.

https://www.toolsource.com/adjustable-c ... 62071.html

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Re: Help! Need good collar nut tool!

Postby GHGoodwin » Sun May 20, 2018 7:58 am

I have this. Its a shock spring spanner tool. Aro 3/16ths" thick and 3-1.2" long. Fits 3/8ths breaker bar. Stamped "PS made in USA".
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