Metzeler vs. Heidenau

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Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby rebelrider » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:23 am

There's already been a lot of discussion about these, but I still can't decide.

I've got an M70, and I probably do 90% on-road, and nearly all my off-road consists of gravel and forest service roads. My old Duro pusher is done, and I'm thinking of rotating the tires and getting either a Heidenau K28, or a Metzeler Block-K for the front. So far, my only experience has been with the Duros, and they've been fine, but maybe one of these would be better for the kind of riding I do.

Also, since I'll have the tires off anyway, what's your favorite 18" Tube and rim strip?
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby VWK75S » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:54 am

I'm running the Heidenau on the front of the Retro and I'm very happy with it, but have not tried the Metzeler.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby vetsurginc » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:10 am

Good results with Avon sidecar tire on front. Going on 8000km. Better in wet than Duro. Just starting to get a little cupping.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby TerryG » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:45 am

If it were me, I would put the new tire on the pusher. Either tire will last a lot longer than another Duro and save the effort of another quick change. The worst place to put a lone flat profile tire would be the front since they do increase steering effort a bit specially at lower speeds.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby rebelrider » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:12 am

I hadn't thought of there being a steering issue. I think I'm leaning towards the Metzeler since it is easier to find and slightly cheaper.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby DEF1976 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:18 am

vetsurginc wrote:Good results with Avon sidecar tire on front. Going on 8000km. Better in wet than Duro. Just starting to get a little cupping.

Hi,

Could I please ask for details of the Avon Tyre you are referring to? I assume you mean an 18inch tyre?

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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby vetsurginc » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:20 am

Avon S-M, 19", 4.00 HIS x 65H,4 ply rayon max load 640lbs

Duros have a 782 lb rating and are 6 ply nylon
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby DEF1976 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:10 pm

vetsurginc wrote:Avon S-M, 19", 4.00 HIS x 65H,4 ply rayon max load 640lbs

Duros have a 782 lb rating and are 6 ply nylon


Many thanks, I have a CT so need 18" tyres

These are available

Safety Mileage MK II AM7 4.00 -18 TT 64 S

but described as rear fitment only and I'd like to improve the grippiness of the Front, the Heidenaus are too "slippy" for my style of riding.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby vetsurginc » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:02 pm

Although some have experienced harder steering with squared off tires, that has not been my experience( YMMV). I was locking up the Duros on rain wet pavement (oh in South Florida?) way too easy, dodging cagers wandering about at intersections. I can still lock up the Avon. But I have to work at it more.

Sorry to hear the Hedies are slippery too. I was thinking of trying one next.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby DEF1976 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:45 pm

vetsurginc wrote:Although some have experienced harder steering with squared off tires, that has not been my experience( YMMV). I was locking up the Duros on rain wet pavement (oh in South Florida?) way too easy, dodging cagers wandering about at intersections. I can still lock up the Avon. But I have to work at it more.

Sorry to hear the Hedies are slippery too. I was thinking of trying one next.


As you say mileage may differ, I hit left handers too hard too often and the Heide tends to let go a bit too easily for my liking :roll:

Thanks again for your input.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby vetsurginc » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:48 pm

As you say mileage may differ, I hit left handers too hard too often and the Heide tends to let go a bit too easily for my liking :roll:

Ahh. Then on the pusher pefect for drifting !!
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby TVER » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:55 am

I switched last year to the Hidenau K28 on the pusher; I got over double the mileage on the tire compared to the Duro; I got 7402 on the k28, and 3338 km on the duro. I just put a k28 on the front wheel , and do not notice any difference in steering / handling; I mainly drive on paved roads; no gravel or dirt. FYI
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby Speedbump » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:30 pm

I've got 11,000 km on K28 pusher, all on pavement, and still going.
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Re: Metzeler vs. Heidenau

Postby Trevorski » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:06 am

I put a Heidenau K28 on the back of my Gear Up this past spring; the purchase price was an ouch and the install took a lot more wrestling than a Duro (WAY stiffer casing). More than once in the purchase and install I found myself thinking "why am I going through this when a Duro would work?" Riding it, wow, braking and handling are SO much improved by the more robust tire with better contact patch. Wish I had the funds and stubbornness to go ahead and install K28 all around, but can't justify it when the OE duros on the hack and front are still entirely servivceable.
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