.38 ACP ?

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.38 ACP ?

Postby Lmo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:37 pm

Just thinking out loud...

BERSA ?
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby hotflash44 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:00 pm

Lmo wrote:Just thinking out loud...

BERSA ?
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LMO very familiar with the pistol, i have the bigger one called the Bersa thunder plus, it has a double stack magazine that holds 15 rounds, the best hand fitting pistol i own. much better feel than its smaller brother, plus more rounds in the mag .The smaller Bersa is way easier to conceal though .Story is in Argentina civilians cant have anything larger than the 380 acp. PS the 38ACP is different size and has a rim, the 380 ACP was made rimless and specifically for blow back pistols. these pistols are designed similar to the famous Walther PPK both use the blow back charging system. anyway if you should decide to get one you will be very happy IMHO. just keep in mind that almost all the experts consider the 380 ACP at the bottom of the personal defense round list/poor expansion and penetration. that said i wouldn't want someone shooting me with one :D
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby scottmastrocinque » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:36 pm

Best 380 ever made. 5,000+ rounds through it already. FTF = 0. This married to my Crimson Trace Green laser, is concealed carry heaven.

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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Lmo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:11 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I live in the glorious State of Califonia... I can't buy a BERSA Thunder, or a Glock 42.

Neither are on the current "Roster of Handguns Certified" and I'm a bit surprised the Firestorm is.

just keep in mind that almost all the experts consider the 380 ACP at the bottom of the personal defense round list ... that said i wouldn't want someone shooting me with one


Hornady 90gr Flex Tip. Kinda spendy at $17/25 rounds, but...

edit.... and we live with 10 round magazine capacity.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Lmo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:15 pm

Here's what's going on... About six weeks ago I picked a nice CZ 75 Compact (9mm), I love that pistol. In the meantime, my right hand is apparently developing some kind of issue in the carpometalcarpal joint (the base of the thumb right where you plant it under the beavertail of the pistol). It's starting to give me all kinds of fits and shooting aggravates it.

Is my logic faulty in thinking a .38 might not recoil as much? I've never shot one.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby eastbloc » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:09 pm

I have a Bulgarian Arsenal Makarov chambered in 9x18 which is basically the same as a .38 ACP (except they're not compatible, but you can easily swap the barrel in the field and make it so, the magazines are the same).

It's one of my favorites to shoot and I often do better groups with it than with my .22 Ruger target pistol. It's MUCH less recoil and less work to stay on target than a 9x20 Parabellum and will definitely still put the hurt on someone. There's the stopping power of a round itself but then there's also the stopping power of the shooter's ability to put a given round on target (repeatedly if necessary) that may make a difference in outcome.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby GillaFunk » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:31 am

I had one of those Bersa 380 pistols.

I didnt like it. Popped too much.

My S&W M&P Shield 9mm is much more enjoyable to shoot. And cheaper ammo.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Lmo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:51 am

9mm is much more enjoyable to shoot.


That's my problem ... at the moment, with my strong hand thumb joint in pain, it isn't more enjoyable to shoot. :(

And cheaper ammo.


I was looking at that angle too. But it appears that .38ACP and 9mm Luger are getting closer in price. I'm feeding my CZ75 124gr 9mm @ $13.95/50. .38 ACP 95gr is right at $16.50/50. It was running at $24/50 not too long ago.

Guess I need to find a Bersa to rent, and any other .38 I can find.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Daisy Cutter » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:52 am

Try switching hands. There will be a learning curve but its not difficult.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby hotflash44 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:12 am

Lmo wrote:
9mm is much more enjoyable to shoot.


That's my problem ... at the moment, with my strong hand thumb joint in pain, it isn't more enjoyable to shoot. :(

And cheaper ammo.


I was looking at that angle too. But it appears that .38ACP and 9mm Luger are getting closer in price. I'm feeding my CZ75 124gr 9mm @ $13.95/50. .38 ACP 95gr is right at $16.50/50. It was running at $24/50 not too long ago.

Guess I need to find a Bersa to rent, and any other .38 I can find.
LMO, are you shooting at a range at paper a lot if so might consider a smaller caliber like a 22 there are many pistols/revolvers and ammo is cheap. hitting a target is the same process regardless of the ammo size. one just causes hand pain and another doesn't. just a thought! :cheers:
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Mikey » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:23 am

Agreed on the calibre statement. I have 7 guns, two are pistols. All but two are .22. I have thousands of .22 rounds kicking around. I don't get tired nearly as fast playing with the 22 and they are way cheaper to fire.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby INSUBORDINATOR » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:04 am

Lmo wrote:Here's what's going on... About six weeks ago I picked a nice CZ 75 Compact (9mm), I love that pistol. In the meantime, my right hand is apparently developing some kind of issue in the carpometalcarpal joint (the base of the thumb right where you plant it under the beavertail of the pistol). It's starting to give me all kinds of fits and shooting aggravates it.

Is my logic faulty in thinking a .38 might not recoil as much? I've never shot one.


Hi Lew, Yes & no. Those CZs are wonderful BTW. I find the weight of a pistol helps soak up recoil. I own both a 9x18 & .380 Makarovs - even with improved grips, they are a bit snappy due to light weight. I also have an antique H&R top break revolver in .38 S&W short, that is very easy on recoil.
An unexpected phenomenon was that my .45 caliber 1911 clone has less recoil than most of my 9mms - more of a softer rearward shove than sharp blow. I do have a 9mm Sig sauer P225- P6 with Pachmayr grips that seems to have the least recoil of all my 9mm's.
Some gun store/ranges let you try out different handguns.
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby hotflash44 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:41 am

there is a significant difference in the pistol action between a blow-back and a lock breech. the blow back like on a Bresa/Walther etc the slide action is closed with a big recoil spring wrapped around the barrel, these pistols are best suited in small calibers,380acp,9mm makarov even 22 rim fire, the lock breech is best used with larger more powerful calibers 9mm Luger,45acp 10mm, 357sig etc. all this moving metal will effect the perceived recoils. :cheers:
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby scottmastrocinque » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:08 pm

Lmo wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I live in the glorious State of Califonia... I can't buy a BERSA Thunder, or a Glock 42.

Neither are on the current "Roster of Handguns Certified" and I'm a bit surprised the Firestorm is.

just keep in mind that almost all the experts consider the 380 ACP at the bottom of the personal defense round list ... that said i wouldn't want someone shooting me with one


Hornady 90gr Flex Tip. Kinda spendy at $17/25 rounds, but...

edit.... and we live with 10 round magazine capacity.



OMG. I just looked at that list. I'm from California and I cannot believe how intrusive the State has become. That list was ridiculous. Glad I've lived in Ohio for the last 16 years. I'll buy and carry what I damn well please, thank you. Talk about overreaching power of the government. That's it, right there!

And people wonder why I am a staunch 2nd amendment supporter...
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Re: .38 ACP ?

Postby Lmo » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:42 pm

Talk about overreaching power of the government.


I'm just going to throw this out on the table... if you're a citizen of the State of Illionis, and under the age of 21, your firearms WILL be confiscated. You have 90 to surrender them.

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/03/st ... -olds.html

Illinois HB 1465 > http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltex ... 4&Session=

The writing is on the wall gentlemen.

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