Kick starting EFI rig

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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Peterpiper938 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:06 am

I think the new M70s have a redesigned kick lever, no? My 14 M70 kick lever has very little throw. Anyone out there with same year M70 have any luck kicking it?
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby gobium » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:24 am

I have opportunity to kick start lot of urals, carb and efi.
Not all will start on 1st, 3rd kicks and the worst is Retro efi due to frame design.

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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby eastbloc » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:29 am

Since obtaining the insights from this thread concerning speed and not momentum being the imperatives of FI Ural kickstarting I have not used the electric starter at all.

Sometimes it takes a few more kicks than others but it has started every time.

A shorter throw should make very little difference to this FI starting method since it is only the very start of the kick stroke that matters.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby hotflash44 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:55 pm

eastbloc ,found that to be true also, think fast kick seems to get it to start usually, but i still like the starter. just getting old i guess. :cheers:
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby eastbloc » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:58 pm

Curiously I find that warmup seems to work better if I start with the kickstarter. Often when I start with the electric foot, the bike will stall and require re-starting, while the kickstarter seems to immediately settle into a regular cold idle with no stalling.

As I mentioned above, most of my trips are just a few miles so there is little opportunity for the battery to recharge the lost amp-hours from starting. Being able to kickstart is a significant life improvement.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby windmill » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:25 pm

Peterpiper938 wrote:I think the new M70s have a redesigned kick lever, no? My 14 M70 kick lever has very little throw. Anyone out there with same year M70 have any luck kicking it?


gobium wrote:I have opportunity to kick start lot of urals, carb and efi.
Not all will start on 1st, 3rd kicks and the worst is Retro efi due to frame design.


I find my M70 is more awkward to kick. The kick starter closer to the bike at the top of the stroke leaving less foot room, and has a shorter stroke. It doesn't feel "natural" to kick like my Patrol.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Mikey » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:09 pm

I can't get the engine to spin fast enough at this point. It's likely just my injury and will work out. Frustrating. Nothing more personal to me than kick starting a bike.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Mikey » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:08 pm

Nevermind. It was as was stated, it was too cold. Went for a ride today and did errands. At each stop of less than an hour I tried to kick start it and it fired right up. Even on half stroke without jumping on it. Very happy. It's 0c 32f here today.

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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby eastbloc » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:01 pm

Kickstarting was fine, even cold, until the weather dropped below zero.

Yesterday with the temperature at 22 degrees, kicking my GU did absolutely nothing. Even the electric starter struggles to get it to fire, cranking over many times before reluctantly coming to life and even then stalling several times before finally settling into an uneasy idle.

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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby hawksbe » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:46 am

I have one of those magnetic block heater things - maybe I'll try that and see if it helps.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Mr Wazzock » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:24 am

Sun shining today (for a change) so as well as fitting solo seat on (see "what did you do to..." topic) I thought maybe I should find out if it still works, as it's not been run for 2 months.

Temps close to freezing, 2 - 3 days worth of unmelted frost still in the shadows, outdoors.

Really hammered the battery getting to go, like 5 - 10 minutes. Fortunately it had had a top-up charge couple of days before. Kick starter merely proves clutch works and engine turns round, and that's all.

A few pops, so is trying to go but exhaust stinks of unburnt gas so WAAAY too rich.

Finally got it to go as follows: hold down starter button and repeatedly open and close twistgrip, opening it to get some clean air blowing thru and try clear out the unburnt gasoline, then eventually, on one time the throttle was closed it started. (Note won't start while throttle is open.)

Soon as it got going it ran perfectly, as tho nothing in untoward! I left it to idle for 20 minutes, with battery charger plugged in again as we know the alternator doesn't charge while idling. The mains charger kept it up >13V which seemed to marginally help the idling speed, and after maybe 20 minutes the idle speed reached warm engine speed, or as far as I could tell.
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Mr Wazzock » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:27 am

PS: thank goodness I can now turn off the headlight! Battery deffo didn't need the extra load, and it's only 18A/h :o
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby hotflash44 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:09 am

Mr Wazzock, you need to find a way to conquer those cold days,near freezing doesn't sound to bad, are the road condition hazardous. :cheers:
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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby Mr Wazzock » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:14 am

Might be, it's the salt I object to most. Boston council (UK) are obsessed about gritting and salting. Don't even want to take the car out. I might if it stays dry, but can see all the roads are white! And it's not frost :o


Otherwise, too cold / wet / windy (gales).


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Re: Kick starting EFI rig

Postby hotflash44 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:22 am

Mr Wazzock, sorry to hear about the salt issue, it is what it is though. Isn't there a way to spray off the salt, or something you can spray on the areas that get salt to make it semi safe? the Uralistas here in the USA seem to not worry so much. Just say-in as i live in a salt free environment! :? :cheers:
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